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That old truck is probably polluting 10-30× more than a modern one. While corporations have their flaws, they have spent time and money making engines more effi

That old truck is probably polluting 10-30× more than a modern one. While corporations have their flaws, they have spent time and money making engines more efficient and reducing harmful emissions.

userbinator 2y ago
Don't care. They can entice us as much as they want. We will not comply. Some people love rolling coal for that reason. (My semi-daily driver is over 50 years old.)
- nick238 2y ago
  Some people love shooting guns into the air, why is that so bad?
  - guy234 2y ago
    that could directly cause a death
    - morsch 2y ago
      High particulate emissions directly cause deaths.
      - userbinator 2y ago
        Everyone is born with a fatal disease called life.
kmac_ 2y ago
After seeing how much safer new cars are in crash tests, old cars don't look so good anymore.
- colonial 2y ago
  I wish more people were aware of this. I'm often reminded of a conversation I overheard at my high school retail job: $OLDGUY_CUSTOMER (to my coworker): "Wow, I just saw a big crash on [nearby arterial road]! The entire front of the car was smashed in!" $COWORKER: "Oh no! Was the driver alright?" $OLDGUY: "Yeah, he seemed fine. There wasn't an ambulance or anything." [beat] "Man, they don't make them like they used to. When I was young, cars didn't crumple like that - it was much safer!" Ugh.
  - reverendsteveii 2y ago
    >When I was young, cars didn't crumple like that. We did.
mistercheph 2y ago
That old truck will pollute less in its lifetime than the amount of energy it takes to produce a modern automobile, let alone the cumulative energy spent to sustain a consumer base ready to sign a new lease every 36 months for the latest and greatest in aggregated conflict minerals + spyware on wheels, it just does it all over the poors someplace else instead of where you live.
- zelos 2y ago
  Not true at all: 80% of pollution from an ICE vehicle is from driving it (fuel and servicing).
- reverendsteveii 2y ago
  are you counting the energy that went into producing that old truck in this statement?
aucisson_masque 2y ago
I don't believe this. In France, we have mandatory car checkup every few years where they test the pollution from the back of the car. My old car, made in early 90 barely emitted more pollutant than regulation allow. Ended up buying a Volkswagen Passat, very impressive it emitted a lot less. Then dieselgate happened... Now it's barely under what the regulation allow. Keep your old polluting car, in the grand scheme of things it is better than buying a new one that end up polluting much more to build than what you would gain in everyday emission.
- reverendsteveii 2y ago
  your theory assumes that everyone is lying about their emissions and then later assumes that your old car is not, in fact, lying about emissions. also that you can just keep an old car running indefinitely on a limited budget.
  - aucisson_masque 2y ago
    there wasn't much pressure from regulation to have low pollution emissions in car during the early 1990, beside the car i'm speaking about, a golf 2, has such a small diesel engine that it makes sense it would pollute very little compared to the much heavier and much more powerful passat (at least compared to the whooping 50 horse power the golf had !). i can still remember avoiding road too steep lol. Beside, when i am saying that keeping the older car is better for environment, i am not theorizing but speaking about things that have been studied. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652623028196 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095965262... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jiec.13190 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jiec.13190 > Specifically, researchers find keeping older fuel efficient cars on the road longer reduces CO2 emissions significantly more than speeding up the global transition to green technology.
account42 2y ago
So? Not the consumer's fault that those improvement are bundled with user-hostile bullshit. Some of it government-mandated bullshit too.
mistercheph 2y ago
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/1994_nissan_truck.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/1994_nissan_truck.sh... https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2024_Nissan_Frontier.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2024_Nissan_Frontier...

That old truck is probably polluting 10-30× more than a modern one. While corporations have their flaws, they have spent time and money making engines more efficient and reducing harmful emissions.

userbinator 2y ago

Don't care. They can entice us as much as they want. We will not comply. Some people love rolling coal for that reason. (My semi-daily driver is over 50 years old.)

nick238 2y ago
Some people love shooting guns into the air, why is that so bad?
- guy234 2y ago
  that could directly cause a death
  - morsch 2y ago
    High particulate emissions directly cause deaths.
    - userbinator 2y ago
      Everyone is born with a fatal disease called life.

kmac_ 2y ago

After seeing how much safer new cars are in crash tests, old cars don't look so good anymore.

colonial 2y ago
I wish more people were aware of this. I'm often reminded of a conversation I overheard at my high school retail job: $OLDGUY_CUSTOMER (to my coworker): "Wow, I just saw a big crash on [nearby arterial road]! The entire front of the car was smashed in!" $COWORKER: "Oh no! Was the driver alright?" $OLDGUY: "Yeah, he seemed fine. There wasn't an ambulance or anything." [beat] "Man, they don't make them like they used to. When I was young, cars didn't crumple like that - it was much safer!" Ugh.
- reverendsteveii 2y ago
  >When I was young, cars didn't crumple like that. We did.

mistercheph 2y ago

That old truck will pollute less in its lifetime than the amount of energy it takes to produce a modern automobile, let alone the cumulative energy spent to sustain a consumer base ready to sign a new lease every 36 months for the latest and greatest in aggregated conflict minerals + spyware on wheels, it just does it all over the poors someplace else instead of where you live.

zelos 2y ago
Not true at all: 80% of pollution from an ICE vehicle is from driving it (fuel and servicing).
reverendsteveii 2y ago
are you counting the energy that went into producing that old truck in this statement?

aucisson_masque 2y ago

I don't believe this. In France, we have mandatory car checkup every few years where they test the pollution from the back of the car. My old car, made in early 90 barely emitted more pollutant than regulation allow. Ended up buying a Volkswagen Passat, very impressive it emitted a lot less. Then dieselgate happened... Now it's barely under what the regulation allow. Keep your old polluting car, in the grand scheme of things it is better than buying a new one that end up polluting much more to build than what you would gain in everyday emission.

reverendsteveii 2y ago
your theory assumes that everyone is lying about their emissions and then later assumes that your old car is not, in fact, lying about emissions. also that you can just keep an old car running indefinitely on a limited budget.
- aucisson_masque 2y ago
  there wasn't much pressure from regulation to have low pollution emissions in car during the early 1990, beside the car i'm speaking about, a golf 2, has such a small diesel engine that it makes sense it would pollute very little compared to the much heavier and much more powerful passat (at least compared to the whooping 50 horse power the golf had !). i can still remember avoiding road too steep lol. Beside, when i am saying that keeping the older car is better for environment, i am not theorizing but speaking about things that have been studied. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652623028196 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095965262... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jiec.13190 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jiec.13190 > Specifically, researchers find keeping older fuel efficient cars on the road longer reduces CO2 emissions significantly more than speeding up the global transition to green technology.

account42 2y ago

So? Not the consumer's fault that those improvement are bundled with user-hostile bullshit. Some of it government-mandated bullshit too.

mistercheph 2y ago

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/1994_nissan_truck.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/1994_nissan_truck.sh... https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2024_Nissan_Frontier.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2024_Nissan_Frontier...