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"Green cards come with rules to keep." The whole issue is that the current administration has determined that they are the sole arbiter of those "rules", and t

"Green cards come with rules to keep." The whole issue is that the current administration has determined that they are the sole arbiter of those "rules", and they can detain and attempt to deport green card holders without any due process.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
Promoting a declared terrorist organization isn't a gray area. Nor is abusing schedule 1 drugs but the felon seems to want his African buddy to slide on that one.
- darksaints 2y ago
  Promoting a terrorist organization is legal and well within the boundaries of free speech. It's just not cool, not a good look, and should be shamed into submission. Providing material support to a terrorist organization is where it crosses into criminal territory.
  - worik 2y ago
    > Promoting a terrorist organization... is not what Mahmoud Kahill (sp?) was doing. He's was protesting the University of Columbia's support of Israel, who were engaged in a wildly homicidal campaign against his kin.
    - darksaints 2y ago
      I’m well aware. Read my other comments in this thread.
  - blindriver 2y ago
    You need to educate yourself. This is 100% incorrect. It might be legal for a citizen but not a permanent resident. Endorsing terrorism is a question asked on every Green Card and naturalization application, and will get your deported. Until you are a citizen you will lose your green card for endorsing terrorism.
    - aprilthird2021 2y ago
      So if a green card holder said "I can see why people support Hamas" should he be expelled? When does just talking about a situation turn into "endorsement" or "support"?
      - trollbridge 2y ago
        That’s part of the problem here. The federal government can decide by fiat that you did a bad thing before you applied for a green card and then deport you based on that. They can also say you did a bad thing after and revoke your green card, although it’s a bit more paperwork to do so and requires a higher up to sign off on it (in this recent case, the Secretary of State himself). I’m not aware of any country that provides blanket free speech for noncitizens.
        aprilthird2021 2y ago
        We used to be a unique country when it came to free speech. No reason why it shouldn't be provided to noncitizens too, imo. We let our enemies pump news and media into our country because we believe the people actually run the country.
      - blindriver 2y ago
        Yes, it's enough to get lawyers involved if you're stupid enough to get caught for talking about terrorism like that when you're on your green card.
        aprilthird2021 2y ago
        That's ridiculous, imo. If we don't understand geopolitics and can't talk about it, what hope do we have of being good at it?
    - darksaints 2y ago
      Conditions for admissibility are one thing, and you can be denied entry for any thought crime that the government wants to impose. Once you are in, you have the same rights to free speech as any citizen, and the same rights to due process as well. In fact, the only thing they can do to curb your free speech is prove in court that you lied on your application. Which is likely how this case will play out after judges rule on how illegal their attempted action is, but as of yet the government has not provided any evidence of him lying on his application.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago

Promoting a declared terrorist organization isn't a gray area. Nor is abusing schedule 1 drugs but the felon seems to want his African buddy to slide on that one.

darksaints 2y ago
Promoting a terrorist organization is legal and well within the boundaries of free speech. It's just not cool, not a good look, and should be shamed into submission. Providing material support to a terrorist organization is where it crosses into criminal territory.
- worik 2y ago
  > Promoting a terrorist organization... is not what Mahmoud Kahill (sp?) was doing. He's was protesting the University of Columbia's support of Israel, who were engaged in a wildly homicidal campaign against his kin.
  - darksaints 2y ago
    I’m well aware. Read my other comments in this thread.
- blindriver 2y ago
  You need to educate yourself. This is 100% incorrect. It might be legal for a citizen but not a permanent resident. Endorsing terrorism is a question asked on every Green Card and naturalization application, and will get your deported. Until you are a citizen you will lose your green card for endorsing terrorism.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    So if a green card holder said "I can see why people support Hamas" should he be expelled? When does just talking about a situation turn into "endorsement" or "support"?
    - trollbridge 2y ago
      That’s part of the problem here. The federal government can decide by fiat that you did a bad thing before you applied for a green card and then deport you based on that. They can also say you did a bad thing after and revoke your green card, although it’s a bit more paperwork to do so and requires a higher up to sign off on it (in this recent case, the Secretary of State himself). I’m not aware of any country that provides blanket free speech for noncitizens.
      - aprilthird2021 2y ago
        We used to be a unique country when it came to free speech. No reason why it shouldn't be provided to noncitizens too, imo. We let our enemies pump news and media into our country because we believe the people actually run the country.
    - blindriver 2y ago
      Yes, it's enough to get lawyers involved if you're stupid enough to get caught for talking about terrorism like that when you're on your green card.
      - aprilthird2021 2y ago
        That's ridiculous, imo. If we don't understand geopolitics and can't talk about it, what hope do we have of being good at it?
  - darksaints 2y ago
    Conditions for admissibility are one thing, and you can be denied entry for any thought crime that the government wants to impose. Once you are in, you have the same rights to free speech as any citizen, and the same rights to due process as well. In fact, the only thing they can do to curb your free speech is prove in court that you lied on your application. Which is likely how this case will play out after judges rule on how illegal their attempted action is, but as of yet the government has not provided any evidence of him lying on his application.