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You are seriously mistaking your personal preference for a universal human trait. Many of these buildings are very homely feeling. You probably might also come

You are seriously mistaking your personal preference for a universal human trait. Many of these buildings are very homely feeling. You probably might also come from a country where houses are built of wood. Wood isn't a common building material outside Europe and North America. Concrete and brick are most common.

iandanforth 2y ago
Regardless of material, these examples are hideous.
perching_aix 2y ago
> You are seriously mistaking your personal preference for a universal human trait. Many of these buildings are very homely feeling. Which you determined how exactly? Or are your tastes universal? I don't think it's super fruitful to fight opinions with opinions at least.
- donkeybeer 2y ago
  By most common factors of homeliness: greenery, shade, cool concrete/stone walls (concrete hatred might even be the minority viewpoint worldwide. Wood is not a common building material outside USA/Canada and Europe). Its not like those large glass walled open plan structures. The interior is secluded and hidden and so on.
  - perching_aix 2y ago
    So you picked traits you feel are associated with that label and checked how much they apply? ... so still subjectively?
    - donkeybeer 2y ago
      Yes as are all artistic opinions. But in fact I can have hard objective data in this, if you look up the normalcy of concrete as a building material worldwide. By this standard wood is weird and concrete is the normal thing. In any case there is no knee jerk aversion to the material. Perhaps its a thing in former communist countries and countries which defined themselves as hating these countries to see concrete as "cold".
      - perching_aix 2y ago
        ... which then matters only to the extent that any given characterization makes it so (which is again subjective). It makes the discussion more sophisticated, but nonetheless still just a clashing of personal preferences. I really don't see value in this. If it wasn't treated as a debate but as an exploration, an open ended discussion, then sure. But as it stands, this is just pointless. Literally "I don't like it vs. I do", just more elaborate, with a hint of mutual mislead of the other into thinking it's winnable.
        donkeybeer 2y ago
        My comment is much less dismissive and ridiculous than the top comment I am replying to. I didn't say I hate wood or find it impossible people would like wood. If you wanted to look at it from the point of view of a debate vs exploration mine was closer to the exploration end.
        perching_aix 2y ago
        It was, true. Oh well, let's see how they and others respond to it all.
        donkeybeer 2y ago
        In architecture I almost never find anything really "objectionable" to the point of disgust. So to me I find it difficult to understand how some people can find themselves to get so worked up over architecture. At most the examples of "ugly" architecture cited by various people make me feel bland/unfeeling not disgusted.
        perching_aix 2y ago
        I think it's not really the architecture they got ticked off about, but the praise vs. the architecture. To be more specific, it's not the "designs" that are their issue I don't think, but the extremeness of the gap between what they regard as their own taste or think of as common sense taste vs. what they can see here, and the extreme praise (an award) the latter is receiving despite that. It must be a baffling, cold shower like experience to them. I've had this with some TV shows, where I'd find them obnoxiously overrated, and their sheer mention would get pretty intense reactions out of me. Even though the shows were alright, just nowhere near what people represented them as. This can be generalized a bit, where if we concede that taste is subjective, then recognitions like these as a whole will come across as weird, if not counterproductive. I don't think that's the angle they were going for though. An analog I can think of from my own experiences is my distaste towards praising historical figures in literature (of all kinds, so incl. science and philosophy literature). It robs people of their own ambitions, I think.
dr-smooth 2y ago
Today I learned that in British English, "homely" is a positive trait when referring to a place.

iandanforth 2y ago

Regardless of material, these examples are hideous.

perching_aix 2y ago

> You are seriously mistaking your personal preference for a universal human trait. Many of these buildings are very homely feeling. Which you determined how exactly? Or are your tastes universal? I don't think it's super fruitful to fight opinions with opinions at least.

donkeybeer 2y ago
By most common factors of homeliness: greenery, shade, cool concrete/stone walls (concrete hatred might even be the minority viewpoint worldwide. Wood is not a common building material outside USA/Canada and Europe). Its not like those large glass walled open plan structures. The interior is secluded and hidden and so on.
- perching_aix 2y ago
  So you picked traits you feel are associated with that label and checked how much they apply? ... so still subjectively?
  - donkeybeer 2y ago
    Yes as are all artistic opinions. But in fact I can have hard objective data in this, if you look up the normalcy of concrete as a building material worldwide. By this standard wood is weird and concrete is the normal thing. In any case there is no knee jerk aversion to the material. Perhaps its a thing in former communist countries and countries which defined themselves as hating these countries to see concrete as "cold".
    - perching_aix 2y ago
      ... which then matters only to the extent that any given characterization makes it so (which is again subjective). It makes the discussion more sophisticated, but nonetheless still just a clashing of personal preferences. I really don't see value in this. If it wasn't treated as a debate but as an exploration, an open ended discussion, then sure. But as it stands, this is just pointless. Literally "I don't like it vs. I do", just more elaborate, with a hint of mutual mislead of the other into thinking it's winnable.
      - donkeybeer 2y ago
        My comment is much less dismissive and ridiculous than the top comment I am replying to. I didn't say I hate wood or find it impossible people would like wood. If you wanted to look at it from the point of view of a debate vs exploration mine was closer to the exploration end.
        perching_aix 2y ago
        It was, true. Oh well, let's see how they and others respond to it all.
        donkeybeer 2y ago
        In architecture I almost never find anything really "objectionable" to the point of disgust. So to me I find it difficult to understand how some people can find themselves to get so worked up over architecture. At most the examples of "ugly" architecture cited by various people make me feel bland/unfeeling not disgusted.
        perching_aix 2y ago
        I think it's not really the architecture they got ticked off about, but the praise vs. the architecture. To be more specific, it's not the "designs" that are their issue I don't think, but the extremeness of the gap between what they regard as their own taste or think of as common sense taste vs. what they can see here, and the extreme praise (an award) the latter is receiving despite that. It must be a baffling, cold shower like experience to them. I've had this with some TV shows, where I'd find them obnoxiously overrated, and their sheer mention would get pretty intense reactions out of me. Even though the shows were alright, just nowhere near what people represented them as. This can be generalized a bit, where if we concede that taste is subjective, then recognitions like these as a whole will come across as weird, if not counterproductive. I don't think that's the angle they were going for though. An analog I can think of from my own experiences is my distaste towards praising historical figures in literature (of all kinds, so incl. science and philosophy literature). It robs people of their own ambitions, I think.

dr-smooth 2y ago

Today I learned that in British English, "homely" is a positive trait when referring to a place.