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Thank you for sharing! There's no excuse for staying on AWS (or Azure) these days, but it's hard to convince executives because the alternatives are marketed mu

Thank you for sharing! There's no excuse for staying on AWS (or Azure) these days, but it's hard to convince executives because the alternatives are marketed much less.

pydry 2y ago
Theyve both done a really good job of following a similar vendor lock-in strategy to oracle as well as using their salespeople to scare the shit out of timid, risk averse execs over things like security and compliance. This is how their market power was built - with FUD, lies and tricks. Theyve now gotten to the point where theyre comfortable enough with this market power that they can lean on it while pursuing a strategy of developer wage compression.
mirsadm 2y ago
There are plenty of reasons to stay with AWS, RDS being one. Are there viable alternatives?
- m_mueller 2y ago
  I recently saw that Exascale, a Swiss provider, has something comparable, albeit afaik not autoscaling to the extent that Aurora is for example.
  - jeffrallen 2y ago
    You are talking about Exoscale DBAAS, here: https://community.exoscale.com/community/dbaas/ https://community.exoscale.com/community/dbaas/ (I work there.)
- Nemo_bis 2y ago
  There's gazillion valid managed DB offers.
  - liveoneggs 2y ago
    not cheaper than rds
    - Nemo_bis 2y ago
      First time I hear someone claim RDS is cheap. What specifications do you have in mind? Scaleway costs approximately 51 % less, looking at on-demand postgresql instance with 8 GB RAM (db.t3.large vs. db-dev-l). https://aws.amazon.com/rds/postgresql/pricing/?pg=pr&loc=3 https://aws.amazon.com/rds/postgresql/pricing/?pg=pr&loc=3 https://www.scaleway.com/en/pricing/managed-databases/#cost-optimized-db-play2db-pro2 https://www.scaleway.com/en/pricing/managed-databases/#cost-...
      - liveoneggs 2y ago
        I guess I am saying it's a good value more than its raw price being less than other offerings. The blue/green deploys, auto snapshotting, failover, upgrades, few-click resizing, etc justify the price vs running database servers (for me). I spend a lot of time looking for money in aws and never consider replacing RDS with anything else.
- mikaelronstrom 2y ago
  There are lots of alternatives for database solutions with Kubernetes, in Hopsworks we use RonDB which is highly available and has a MySQL interface but also supports a REST API and even a prototype Redis service.
BoredPositron 2y ago
It’s also the pain AWS sales is pounding on IT teams that want to switch with a „too good to be true offer“ and some steak dinners with your c-suite later and you have to suffer through endless meetings with „specialists“ that are everything but.
darthrupert 2y ago
These are not excuses, but actual reasons: Lambda, S3, DynamoDB and many other cloud-native things. But sure, if you're just renting ec2 resources and rearchitecturing is not feasible, AWS is probably a bad idea.

Thank you for sharing! There's no excuse for staying on AWS (or Azure) these days, but it's hard to convince executives because the alternatives are marketed much less.

pydry 2y ago

Theyve both done a really good job of following a similar vendor lock-in strategy to oracle as well as using their salespeople to scare the shit out of timid, risk averse execs over things like security and compliance. This is how their market power was built - with FUD, lies and tricks. Theyve now gotten to the point where theyre comfortable enough with this market power that they can lean on it while pursuing a strategy of developer wage compression.

mirsadm 2y ago

There are plenty of reasons to stay with AWS, RDS being one. Are there viable alternatives?

m_mueller 2y ago
I recently saw that Exascale, a Swiss provider, has something comparable, albeit afaik not autoscaling to the extent that Aurora is for example.
- jeffrallen 2y ago
  You are talking about Exoscale DBAAS, here: https://community.exoscale.com/community/dbaas/ https://community.exoscale.com/community/dbaas/ (I work there.)
Nemo_bis 2y ago
There's gazillion valid managed DB offers.
- liveoneggs 2y ago
  not cheaper than rds
  - Nemo_bis 2y ago
    First time I hear someone claim RDS is cheap. What specifications do you have in mind? Scaleway costs approximately 51 % less, looking at on-demand postgresql instance with 8 GB RAM (db.t3.large vs. db-dev-l). https://aws.amazon.com/rds/postgresql/pricing/?pg=pr&loc=3 https://aws.amazon.com/rds/postgresql/pricing/?pg=pr&loc=3 https://www.scaleway.com/en/pricing/managed-databases/#cost-optimized-db-play2db-pro2 https://www.scaleway.com/en/pricing/managed-databases/#cost-...
    - liveoneggs 2y ago
      I guess I am saying it's a good value more than its raw price being less than other offerings. The blue/green deploys, auto snapshotting, failover, upgrades, few-click resizing, etc justify the price vs running database servers (for me). I spend a lot of time looking for money in aws and never consider replacing RDS with anything else.
mikaelronstrom 2y ago
There are lots of alternatives for database solutions with Kubernetes, in Hopsworks we use RonDB which is highly available and has a MySQL interface but also supports a REST API and even a prototype Redis service.

BoredPositron 2y ago

It’s also the pain AWS sales is pounding on IT teams that want to switch with a „too good to be true offer“ and some steak dinners with your c-suite later and you have to suffer through endless meetings with „specialists“ that are everything but.

darthrupert 2y ago

These are not excuses, but actual reasons: Lambda, S3, DynamoDB and many other cloud-native things. But sure, if you're just renting ec2 resources and rearchitecturing is not feasible, AWS is probably a bad idea.