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You don't have to be terminally online to see nazi salutes at national political conventions or people protesting and pelting cars & stores nationwide.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
Nazis on one hand, stealerships on the other. What a terrible market.
- porphyra 2y ago
  You can buy a Rivian or Polestar without dealing with dealerships. You could also buy a Hyundai Ioniq 5 or 6 directly on Amazon (even though the implementation still goes through dealerships in the backend) [1]. [1] https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/retail/amazon-autos-buy-car-online https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/retail/amazon-autos-buy-car...
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    I knew Rivian did, but I don't consider them since the cars are more than double the cost of Model 3 and Model Y, plus who knows how long that business exists since it still doesn't earn money. Same with Polestar, they are gambles that rich people can afford to make. I didn't know Hyundai sold online, but that's good news. If only their prices were $20k lower. There is no way I am paying $55k+ for a Hyundai, especially without a $7,500 tax credit compared to a Tesla. I just checked Tesla inventory, and they have 3 row (5 adults + 2 kids) 2024 Model Y AWD Long Ranges for $39k to $41k (with tax credit) on their website right now.
    - actionfromafar 2y ago
      Isn't Polestar 90% a Volvo under the trim?
      - porphyra 2y ago
        The Polestar 2, yes. The newer models like the Polestar 4 are based on a Geely platform that is completely distinct (and in my opinion better).
        ZeroGravitas 2y ago
        Geely is the parent corp of both Volvo and Polestar (as well as Lotus, London Cabs, Zeeker) so they're corporate siblings or cousins anyway.
    - porphyra 2y ago
      Honestly in terms of value, efficiency, safety, practicality, etc it is hard to beat the Model Y. The refresh is even better, a huge step up in comfort, and imho quieter and smoother than a Lucid or Mercedes-Benz EQS. I guess some sacrifices must be made if you really care about not supporting a "nazi".
  - mavhc 2y ago
    Hyundai change their OS every other year, no chance of long term software updates. Rivian's spin off to licence their OS may end up being the Android of cars to Tesla's iOS
Brookeden55 2y ago
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- actionfromafar 2y ago
  Sometimes, "nazi" is used as shorthand for people who will eagerly work with nazis to get ahead.
  - Brookeden55 2y ago
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- aswanson 2y ago
  Whether any of that is or isn't true doesn't matter. He's publicly damaged the brand by that association. Perception is reality in business/branding.
- zfg 2y ago
  Just yesterday Musk was making excuses for Hitler: https://meidasnews.com/news/elon-musk-retweet-hitler-didnt-murder-millions-of-people-public-sector-workers-did https://meidasnews.com/news/elon-musk-retweet-hitler-didnt-m...

lotsofpulp 2y ago

Nazis on one hand, stealerships on the other. What a terrible market.

porphyra 2y ago
You can buy a Rivian or Polestar without dealing with dealerships. You could also buy a Hyundai Ioniq 5 or 6 directly on Amazon (even though the implementation still goes through dealerships in the backend) [1]. [1] https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/retail/amazon-autos-buy-car-online https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/retail/amazon-autos-buy-car...
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  I knew Rivian did, but I don't consider them since the cars are more than double the cost of Model 3 and Model Y, plus who knows how long that business exists since it still doesn't earn money. Same with Polestar, they are gambles that rich people can afford to make. I didn't know Hyundai sold online, but that's good news. If only their prices were $20k lower. There is no way I am paying $55k+ for a Hyundai, especially without a $7,500 tax credit compared to a Tesla. I just checked Tesla inventory, and they have 3 row (5 adults + 2 kids) 2024 Model Y AWD Long Ranges for $39k to $41k (with tax credit) on their website right now.
  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    Isn't Polestar 90% a Volvo under the trim?
    - porphyra 2y ago
      The Polestar 2, yes. The newer models like the Polestar 4 are based on a Geely platform that is completely distinct (and in my opinion better).
      - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
        Geely is the parent corp of both Volvo and Polestar (as well as Lotus, London Cabs, Zeeker) so they're corporate siblings or cousins anyway.
  - porphyra 2y ago
    Honestly in terms of value, efficiency, safety, practicality, etc it is hard to beat the Model Y. The refresh is even better, a huge step up in comfort, and imho quieter and smoother than a Lucid or Mercedes-Benz EQS. I guess some sacrifices must be made if you really care about not supporting a "nazi".
- mavhc 2y ago
  Hyundai change their OS every other year, no chance of long term software updates. Rivian's spin off to licence their OS may end up being the Android of cars to Tesla's iOS

Brookeden55 2y ago

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actionfromafar 2y ago
Sometimes, "nazi" is used as shorthand for people who will eagerly work with nazis to get ahead.
- Brookeden55 2y ago
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aswanson 2y ago
Whether any of that is or isn't true doesn't matter. He's publicly damaged the brand by that association. Perception is reality in business/branding.
zfg 2y ago
Just yesterday Musk was making excuses for Hitler: https://meidasnews.com/news/elon-musk-retweet-hitler-didnt-murder-millions-of-people-public-sector-workers-did https://meidasnews.com/news/elon-musk-retweet-hitler-didnt-m...