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> For a start, everything would become much cheaper for you. People say this, but of all the apps I have on my phone, I'm not sure I actually paid for any. Bro

by Nursie 2y ago

> For a start, everything would become much cheaper for you. People say this, but of all the apps I have on my phone, I'm not sure I actually paid for any. Browser, smart-device controllers, a few games, streaming services (that I pay for direct), messengers of various sorts, banking, transport, ticketing, government apps. I know people must pay for apps as Apple make a lot of money off it, but it's not really something I do.

oblio 2y ago
We can add this comment as a data point of 1 and compare this to the tens of billions Apple makes from the AppStore, then we can try to figure out which side is more relevant for lawmakers (who inherently have to lean towards statistics).
- Nursie 2y ago
  Sure, I can’t deny they make money, I’d really like to know what the actual statistics are. Besides, we weren’t really talking about lawmakers - the claim was things would get cheaper for you. My point is that for some of us they could not.
  - oblio 2y ago
    Let me Google that for you... > Of the $127 billion in total consumer spending globally in 2024, $91.6 billion came from the App Store, up 24% year-over-year. Google Play consumer spending declined by 1.5% year-over-year to reach $35.7 billion globally.
    - Nursie 2y ago
      That doesn’t answer the question really, does it? What proportion of users use paid apps? I can easily find those figures on App Store revenue you gave, and on the proportion of paid apps in the app stores (5% on iOS, less for Android), but not the details on distribution of payments vs number of users or whatever. Do we have a few users spending a lot and lot of users spending little to nothing? Or am I in a tiny minority as implied? Given there are approx 1.38 billion iOS users, that’s a mean of $60ish per user per year… a few larger users could easily be skewing that.
tonyhart7 2y ago
Yeah this is called cross subsidies, people acting like every app need to pay tbh most app/games etc is freemium and I can tell you that smaller people that pay is subsidies the system because most if not all people using it freely

by Nursie 2y ago

oblio 2y ago

We can add this comment as a data point of 1 and compare this to the tens of billions Apple makes from the AppStore, then we can try to figure out which side is more relevant for lawmakers (who inherently have to lean towards statistics).

Nursie 2y ago
Sure, I can’t deny they make money, I’d really like to know what the actual statistics are. Besides, we weren’t really talking about lawmakers - the claim was things would get cheaper for you. My point is that for some of us they could not.
- oblio 2y ago
  Let me Google that for you... > Of the $127 billion in total consumer spending globally in 2024, $91.6 billion came from the App Store, up 24% year-over-year. Google Play consumer spending declined by 1.5% year-over-year to reach $35.7 billion globally.
  - Nursie 2y ago
    That doesn’t answer the question really, does it? What proportion of users use paid apps? I can easily find those figures on App Store revenue you gave, and on the proportion of paid apps in the app stores (5% on iOS, less for Android), but not the details on distribution of payments vs number of users or whatever. Do we have a few users spending a lot and lot of users spending little to nothing? Or am I in a tiny minority as implied? Given there are approx 1.38 billion iOS users, that’s a mean of $60ish per user per year… a few larger users could easily be skewing that.

tonyhart7 2y ago

Yeah this is called cross subsidies, people acting like every app need to pay tbh most app/games etc is freemium and I can tell you that smaller people that pay is subsidies the system because most if not all people using it freely