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>Every single economic analysis of NSF and NIH research funding that I have seen has shown economic return on investment from $2.5-$10 for every dollar of scien

>Every single economic analysis of NSF and NIH research funding that I have seen has shown economic return on investment from $2.5-$10 for every dollar of science spending. But the academic institution didn't spend money on science. The did spend money on propaganda and promoting ideology.

epistasis 2y ago
Can you provide an example of this propaganda and ideology? Do you really think this is true?
- somenameforme 2y ago
  It's generally pretty easy. Any time some organization's name comes up for cuts, just do a quick search + equity, gender, or various other buzzwords. It's always the same, because that's the reason the funding for these orgs is being cut. In this case here [1] is a page they removed. It's difficult to find the breakdown of where the job cuts are going, but as only 247 of the jobs being terminated are in the US, it's suggestive that the cuts are weighted towards their international branch - jhpiego (which is where the above link is from). [1] - https://web.archive.org/web/20240807150252/https://www.jhpiego.org/our-expertise/gender-equity/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240807150252/https://www.jhpie...
  - ceph_ 2y ago
    This is the best you can come up with? Supporting women's rights is propaganda?
    - somenameforme 2y ago
      Propaganda doesn't mean something you have to disagree with or that is somehow wrong. Rights are a political and ideological component of a society, and trying to persuade other countries to adopt those social positions is most certainly propaganda. Whatever you want to define it as, it is not science in any way, shape, or fashion. And funding intended to further science could certainly be far more well spent.
    - DeathArrow 2y ago
      > This is the best you can come up with? Supporting women's rights is propaganda? Is it hard science?
kergonath 2y ago
> The did spend money on propaganda and promoting ideology. Why are you spewing inaccurate propaganda talking points if propaganda is bad?

epistasis 2y ago

Can you provide an example of this propaganda and ideology? Do you really think this is true?

somenameforme 2y ago
It's generally pretty easy. Any time some organization's name comes up for cuts, just do a quick search + equity, gender, or various other buzzwords. It's always the same, because that's the reason the funding for these orgs is being cut. In this case here [1] is a page they removed. It's difficult to find the breakdown of where the job cuts are going, but as only 247 of the jobs being terminated are in the US, it's suggestive that the cuts are weighted towards their international branch - jhpiego (which is where the above link is from). [1] - https://web.archive.org/web/20240807150252/https://www.jhpiego.org/our-expertise/gender-equity/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240807150252/https://www.jhpie...
- ceph_ 2y ago
  This is the best you can come up with? Supporting women's rights is propaganda?
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    Propaganda doesn't mean something you have to disagree with or that is somehow wrong. Rights are a political and ideological component of a society, and trying to persuade other countries to adopt those social positions is most certainly propaganda. Whatever you want to define it as, it is not science in any way, shape, or fashion. And funding intended to further science could certainly be far more well spent.
  - DeathArrow 2y ago
    > This is the best you can come up with? Supporting women's rights is propaganda? Is it hard science?

kergonath 2y ago

> The did spend money on propaganda and promoting ideology. Why are you spewing inaccurate propaganda talking points if propaganda is bad?