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With all these changes happening in the U.S, I just keep saying to myself; "This is what the American people want. This is the choice of the people. It's democ

With all these changes happening in the U.S, I just keep saying to myself; "This is what the American people want. This is the choice of the people. It's democracy in action and this is what the American people voted for, adults with eyes wide open."

SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
They’re only getting information from one source, i’d be shocked if they’re even remotely aware of this.
- tsunagatta 2y ago
  Fox News has an article on this (if that’s the one you mean): https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-woke-green-agenda-chopping-block-epa-announces-most-consequential-day-deregulation https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-woke-green-agenda-ch...
  - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
    “Biden's 'Woke Green Agenda' on chopping block as EPA announces 'most consequential day of deregulation'” Yeah that’s a specimen.
    - mistrial9 2y ago
      social issues are being used to lump in longstanding environmental battles.. very ugly
krapp 2y ago
America is getting the government it deserves, good and hard.
harimau777 2y ago
Between Citizens United, voter suppression, gerrymandering, the electoral college, and the two party system, I think it's a stretch to call what America has a democracy.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  One could’ve made that case if Trump didn’t win the popular vote.
  - harimau777 2y ago
    You missed Citizens United, voter suppression, and the two party system. The absence of which likely would have resulted in Trump's loss. Even if Trump won the presidency, without gerrymandering there's at least a chance that congress would stand up to him.
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    He didn't, once all votes were counted.
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024presgeresults.pdf https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024pres... Page 3 and 5.
  - fransje26 2y ago
    Which raises the question: has that also not been rigged? Wasn't one of the DOGE employee working on vote bulletin validation and tampering in the past?
cute_boi 2y ago
People think they have voice and choice, but in reality there is no choice. This is not what majority of American wants. Trump didn't win because he is good, he won because people didn't see any fruitful policies from Joe Biden/Kamala Harris.
- gambiting 2y ago
  >>People think they have voice and choice, but in reality there is no choice. They could have chosen not to vote for Trump. That was always an option. >>Trump didn't win because he is good, he won because people didn't see any fruitful policies from Joe Biden/Kamala Harris. So what was that vote then? Out of spite? I could believe that in 2016 - but now I absolutely don't. People have seen what 4 years of Trump look like, and they voted to have that again. Biden being or not being competent has literally nothing to do with it - everyone who voted for Trump did so because they saw what his 4 years of presidency looked like and they like it. If they say otherwise they are just lying to themselves first and foremost.
Gud 2y ago
This is NOT democracy in action. The US is only nominally democratic. What little democracy you had over there has been completely hijacked by monied interests and the propaganda has always been extreme. There are much better functioning democracies in the world. Unfortunately for everyone, the US isn’t one of them. In Switzerland the presidency is rotated every six months between the biggest parties. They have public referendums four times per year. Unsurprisingly, they have highly functioning institutions.
- gambiting 2y ago
  >>This is NOT democracy in action. That's just arguing over semantics, which just isn't helpful. US has one democratic action still in operation - voting for the president. And people voted for Trump having seen exactly what kind of administration he would lead - so this is what they get. So yes, this is democracy in action, even if other nations do it better.
  - Gud 2y ago
    This is absolutely not arguing over semantics. There is a severe lack of democracy in the US and this is the root cause of the problem. Why does Donald Trump have this much power to begin with? It is only possible due to the United States of America’s flawed system of government. With this much centralised power, this will inevitably be the end result. You had two realistic choices for president in the previous election, one that hasn’t even been selected in any form of democratic process. They both spent billions of dollars to try to get elected.
    - gambiting 2y ago
      >>Why does Donald Trump have this much power to begin with? Why is Donald Trump in power right now? Because of a public democratic vote. The core issue is that people voted for him specifically. >>It is only possible due to the United States of America’s flawed system of government. Agreed. Doesn't change the fact that if people didn't vote for Trump he wouldn't be in power. Again, democratic action. >>one that hasn’t even been selected in any form of democratic process. Does switzerland have a vote for who is going to be a candidate for president? Or does the public not actually get a vote given that "presidency is rotated between parties"?

SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago

They’re only getting information from one source, i’d be shocked if they’re even remotely aware of this.

tsunagatta 2y ago
Fox News has an article on this (if that’s the one you mean): https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-woke-green-agenda-chopping-block-epa-announces-most-consequential-day-deregulation https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-woke-green-agenda-ch...
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
  “Biden's 'Woke Green Agenda' on chopping block as EPA announces 'most consequential day of deregulation'” Yeah that’s a specimen.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    social issues are being used to lump in longstanding environmental battles.. very ugly

krapp 2y ago

America is getting the government it deserves, good and hard.

harimau777 2y ago

Between Citizens United, voter suppression, gerrymandering, the electoral college, and the two party system, I think it's a stretch to call what America has a democracy.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
One could’ve made that case if Trump didn’t win the popular vote.
- harimau777 2y ago
  You missed Citizens United, voter suppression, and the two party system. The absence of which likely would have resulted in Trump's loss. Even if Trump won the presidency, without gerrymandering there's at least a chance that congress would stand up to him.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  He didn't, once all votes were counted.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024presgeresults.pdf https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024pres... Page 3 and 5.
- fransje26 2y ago
  Which raises the question: has that also not been rigged? Wasn't one of the DOGE employee working on vote bulletin validation and tampering in the past?

cute_boi 2y ago

People think they have voice and choice, but in reality there is no choice. This is not what majority of American wants. Trump didn't win because he is good, he won because people didn't see any fruitful policies from Joe Biden/Kamala Harris.

gambiting 2y ago
>>People think they have voice and choice, but in reality there is no choice. They could have chosen not to vote for Trump. That was always an option. >>Trump didn't win because he is good, he won because people didn't see any fruitful policies from Joe Biden/Kamala Harris. So what was that vote then? Out of spite? I could believe that in 2016 - but now I absolutely don't. People have seen what 4 years of Trump look like, and they voted to have that again. Biden being or not being competent has literally nothing to do with it - everyone who voted for Trump did so because they saw what his 4 years of presidency looked like and they like it. If they say otherwise they are just lying to themselves first and foremost.

Gud 2y ago

This is NOT democracy in action. The US is only nominally democratic. What little democracy you had over there has been completely hijacked by monied interests and the propaganda has always been extreme. There are much better functioning democracies in the world. Unfortunately for everyone, the US isn’t one of them. In Switzerland the presidency is rotated every six months between the biggest parties. They have public referendums four times per year. Unsurprisingly, they have highly functioning institutions.

gambiting 2y ago
>>This is NOT democracy in action. That's just arguing over semantics, which just isn't helpful. US has one democratic action still in operation - voting for the president. And people voted for Trump having seen exactly what kind of administration he would lead - so this is what they get. So yes, this is democracy in action, even if other nations do it better.
- Gud 2y ago
  This is absolutely not arguing over semantics. There is a severe lack of democracy in the US and this is the root cause of the problem. Why does Donald Trump have this much power to begin with? It is only possible due to the United States of America’s flawed system of government. With this much centralised power, this will inevitably be the end result. You had two realistic choices for president in the previous election, one that hasn’t even been selected in any form of democratic process. They both spent billions of dollars to try to get elected.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    >>Why does Donald Trump have this much power to begin with? Why is Donald Trump in power right now? Because of a public democratic vote. The core issue is that people voted for him specifically. >>It is only possible due to the United States of America’s flawed system of government. Agreed. Doesn't change the fact that if people didn't vote for Trump he wouldn't be in power. Again, democratic action. >>one that hasn’t even been selected in any form of democratic process. Does switzerland have a vote for who is going to be a candidate for president? Or does the public not actually get a vote given that "presidency is rotated between parties"?