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All these whiney creatives who feel threatened just need to suck it up and deal with it. Even if they got their way in the US, another app in another country wi

All these whiney creatives who feel threatened just need to suck it up and deal with it. Even if they got their way in the US, another app in another country will just use their data without permission. All they are doing is ensuring those apps wouldnt be American.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
What do you mean by "deal with it?" Because to me it looks like they're dealing with it by joining in solidarity with other artists, raising awareness about how this affects them and us and lobbying for regulation they think would improve the situation. I guess you meant they should deal with it by just letting it happen to them quietly and without a fight? Is that how you would deal with your livelihood being preventably and unnecessarily destroyed for someone else's enrichment? Maybe, but artists are not overall as cowardly as programmers. > All they are doing is ensuring those apps wouldnt be American. Maybe these whiny americans just need to suck it up and deal with it?
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  How would awareness and regulation in US solve this worldwide problem?
- ArthurStacks 2y ago
  Deal with it as in them accepting there is nothing they can do to stop it. Other countries arent going to follow whatever laws they manage to get in place in the US.
  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    So not deal with it so much as just shut up about it?
    - ArthurStacks 2y ago
      It's just a case that nothing can be done about it. They can protest about it, but a European, Japanese, Chinese, or Russia company will just continue oblivious that there even was any protest. Commercial creatives have to accept it is happening and adapt.
      - giraffe_lady 2y ago
        It used to be rich people got nervous when a big group of precarious workers suddenly became desperate non-workers all at once. > accept it is happening and adapt. Are you going to follow this advice if they adapt by simply taking all your shit at gunpoint? I don't know if I was positioned and planning to personally benefit from the mass destruction of people's livelihoods I'd at least keep a low key about it you know what I mean?. I wouldn't be so gleefully gloating about this in public but hey. There's a lot of cops I'm sure it's fine. It'll probably be fine for you. But it doesn't concern you a tiny bit? Just on the outside chance? Nah nevermind it's fine. Don't worry about it.
        ArthurStacks 2y ago
        If I lived in the USA I would be concerned, but I live in Switzerland and have residency in two other wealth haven countries, with businesses across multiple European countries. It isn't something that is an issue for me given the attitudes to wealth where I live.
        giraffe_lady 2y ago
        That sounds great you sound delightful and clearly nothing to be worried about because nothing like that ever changes so you'll be fine forever I'll leave you to your gloating now. Make sure you keep doing it all in public like this just in case though.
        ArthurStacks 2y ago
        No it isn't going to change, because it's part of our culture and we don't easily let foreign riff-raff in to corrupt that. If youre pinning your hopes of the future of your country on the peasants taking from the rich, youre going to be very disappointed. Usually it doesn't end well, and especially doesn't when the elite will just mow them down with military drones who will follow orders to the letter.
  - archagon 2y ago
    That makes no sense. Even if an individual user is able to use RuGPT to generate infringing content privately, commercial entities would be prohibited from doing so. That is a clear win for "whiney creatives."
    - ArthurStacks 2y ago
      No it isnt. Because foreign companies and entities don't need to follow those laws. The whiney creative still losses. All they do is unsure that its their own country that doesnt benefit.
balls187 2y ago
Do you not enjoy being paid for your work?
- ArthurStacks 2y ago
  I'm a business owner. I love generative AI.
  - balls187 2y ago
    You can both love gen AI, and support an artist's right to decide who, when, where and how their work can be used.
    - ArthurStacks 2y ago
      Not when the right they want is impossible to enforce.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

What do you mean by "deal with it?" Because to me it looks like they're dealing with it by joining in solidarity with other artists, raising awareness about how this affects them and us and lobbying for regulation they think would improve the situation. I guess you meant they should deal with it by just letting it happen to them quietly and without a fight? Is that how you would deal with your livelihood being preventably and unnecessarily destroyed for someone else's enrichment? Maybe, but artists are not overall as cowardly as programmers. > All they are doing is ensuring those apps wouldnt be American. Maybe these whiny americans just need to suck it up and deal with it?

warkdarrior 2y ago
How would awareness and regulation in US solve this worldwide problem?
ArthurStacks 2y ago
Deal with it as in them accepting there is nothing they can do to stop it. Other countries arent going to follow whatever laws they manage to get in place in the US.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  So not deal with it so much as just shut up about it?
  - ArthurStacks 2y ago
    It's just a case that nothing can be done about it. They can protest about it, but a European, Japanese, Chinese, or Russia company will just continue oblivious that there even was any protest. Commercial creatives have to accept it is happening and adapt.
    - giraffe_lady 2y ago
      It used to be rich people got nervous when a big group of precarious workers suddenly became desperate non-workers all at once. > accept it is happening and adapt. Are you going to follow this advice if they adapt by simply taking all your shit at gunpoint? I don't know if I was positioned and planning to personally benefit from the mass destruction of people's livelihoods I'd at least keep a low key about it you know what I mean?. I wouldn't be so gleefully gloating about this in public but hey. There's a lot of cops I'm sure it's fine. It'll probably be fine for you. But it doesn't concern you a tiny bit? Just on the outside chance? Nah nevermind it's fine. Don't worry about it.
      - ArthurStacks 2y ago
        If I lived in the USA I would be concerned, but I live in Switzerland and have residency in two other wealth haven countries, with businesses across multiple European countries. It isn't something that is an issue for me given the attitudes to wealth where I live.
        giraffe_lady 2y ago
        That sounds great you sound delightful and clearly nothing to be worried about because nothing like that ever changes so you'll be fine forever I'll leave you to your gloating now. Make sure you keep doing it all in public like this just in case though.
        ArthurStacks 2y ago
        No it isn't going to change, because it's part of our culture and we don't easily let foreign riff-raff in to corrupt that. If youre pinning your hopes of the future of your country on the peasants taking from the rich, youre going to be very disappointed. Usually it doesn't end well, and especially doesn't when the elite will just mow them down with military drones who will follow orders to the letter.
- archagon 2y ago
  That makes no sense. Even if an individual user is able to use RuGPT to generate infringing content privately, commercial entities would be prohibited from doing so. That is a clear win for "whiney creatives."
  - ArthurStacks 2y ago
    No it isnt. Because foreign companies and entities don't need to follow those laws. The whiney creative still losses. All they do is unsure that its their own country that doesnt benefit.

balls187 2y ago

Do you not enjoy being paid for your work?

ArthurStacks 2y ago
I'm a business owner. I love generative AI.
- balls187 2y ago
  You can both love gen AI, and support an artist's right to decide who, when, where and how their work can be used.
  - ArthurStacks 2y ago
    Not when the right they want is impossible to enforce.