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No - I mean the accessibility to the information and blatant use of power whereby we always knew it existed, but now we can tabulate and analyze it.

Terr_ 2y ago
> now we can tabulate and analyze Very doubtful: The current "AI" hype craze centers on LLMs, and they don't do math. If anything they capabilities favor the other side, to obfuscate and protect falsehoods.
- samstave 2y ago
  >>favor the other side, to obfuscate and protect falsehoods. Unless they delete the Internet Archive of such info? >>*and they don't do math.* Have you ever considered the "Math of Politics" Yeah - they do that just fine ((FYI -- Politics == Propaganda.. the first iteration of models is CHAT == Politics... They do plenty of "Maths"))
  - MegaButts 2y ago
    I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      I worry I'm just trying too hard to make it make sense, and this is a TimeCube [0] situation. The most-charitable paraphrase I can come up with it: "Bad people can't use LLMs to hide facts, hiding facts means removing source-materials. Math doesn't matter for politics which are mainly propaganda." However even that just creates contradictions: 1. If math and logic are not important for uncovering wrongdoing, why was "tabulation" cited as an important feature in the first post? 2. If propaganda dominates other factors, why would the (continued) existence of the Internet Archive be meaningful? People will simply be given an explanation (or veneer of settled agreement) so that they never bother looking for source-material. (Or in the case of IA, copies of source material.) [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecube.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecu...
      - samstave 2y ago
        OMG Thank you - hilarious. TimeCube is a legend... --- I am saying that AI can be used very beneficially to do a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation and how it truly impacts an Individual/Unit (person, family) -- and do so where we can get discernible metrics and utilize AIs understanding of the vast matrices of such inputs to provide meaningful outputs. Simple. EDIT @MegaButts; >>Why is this better than AI People tend to think of AI in two disjointed categories; [AI THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING] v [AI THAT CAN EASILY SIFT THROUGH VAST EVERYTHING DATA GIVEN TO IT AND BE COMMANDED TO OUTPUT FINDINGS THAT A HUMAN COULDN'T DO ALONE] --- Which do you think I refer to? AI is transformative (pun intended) -- in that it allows for very complex questions to be asked of our very complex civilization in a simple and EveryMan hands...
        MegaButts 2y ago
        Why is AI better for this than a human? We already know AI is fundamentally biased by its training data in a way where it's actually impossible to know how/why it's biased. We also know AI makes things up all the time.
        samstave 2y ago
        Ingestion of context. Period. If you dont understand the benefit of an AI augmenting the speed and depth of ingestion of Domain Context into a human mind.. then... go play with chalk.||I as a smart Human operate on lots of data... and AI and such has allowed me to consume such. The most important medicines in the world are MEMORY retention... It s youd like a conspiracy, eat too much aluminum to give you alzheimers asap so your generation forgets... (based though. hope you undestand what I am saying)
        Terr_ 2y ago
        > a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation Not LLMs: They might reveal how people are popularly writing about the political structure of the nation. If that were the same as "truth", we wouldn't need any kind of software analysis in the first place.
MegaButts 2y ago
How is it any more accessible now than it was before? Don't you have to fact-check everything it says anyway, effectively doing the research you'd do without it? I'm not saying LLMs are useless, but I do not understand your use case.

Terr_ 2y ago

> now we can tabulate and analyze Very doubtful: The current "AI" hype craze centers on LLMs, and they don't do math. If anything they capabilities favor the other side, to obfuscate and protect falsehoods.

samstave 2y ago
>>favor the other side, to obfuscate and protect falsehoods. Unless they delete the Internet Archive of such info? >>*and they don't do math.* Have you ever considered the "Math of Politics" Yeah - they do that just fine ((FYI -- Politics == Propaganda.. the first iteration of models is CHAT == Politics... They do plenty of "Maths"))
- MegaButts 2y ago
  I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    I worry I'm just trying too hard to make it make sense, and this is a TimeCube [0] situation. The most-charitable paraphrase I can come up with it: "Bad people can't use LLMs to hide facts, hiding facts means removing source-materials. Math doesn't matter for politics which are mainly propaganda." However even that just creates contradictions: 1. If math and logic are not important for uncovering wrongdoing, why was "tabulation" cited as an important feature in the first post? 2. If propaganda dominates other factors, why would the (continued) existence of the Internet Archive be meaningful? People will simply be given an explanation (or veneer of settled agreement) so that they never bother looking for source-material. (Or in the case of IA, copies of source material.) [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecube.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecu...
    - samstave 2y ago
      OMG Thank you - hilarious. TimeCube is a legend... --- I am saying that AI can be used very beneficially to do a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation and how it truly impacts an Individual/Unit (person, family) -- and do so where we can get discernible metrics and utilize AIs understanding of the vast matrices of such inputs to provide meaningful outputs. Simple. EDIT @MegaButts; >>Why is this better than AI People tend to think of AI in two disjointed categories; [AI THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING] v [AI THAT CAN EASILY SIFT THROUGH VAST EVERYTHING DATA GIVEN TO IT AND BE COMMANDED TO OUTPUT FINDINGS THAT A HUMAN COULDN'T DO ALONE] --- Which do you think I refer to? AI is transformative (pun intended) -- in that it allows for very complex questions to be asked of our very complex civilization in a simple and EveryMan hands...
      - MegaButts 2y ago
        Why is AI better for this than a human? We already know AI is fundamentally biased by its training data in a way where it's actually impossible to know how/why it's biased. We also know AI makes things up all the time.
        samstave 2y ago
        Ingestion of context. Period. If you dont understand the benefit of an AI augmenting the speed and depth of ingestion of Domain Context into a human mind.. then... go play with chalk.||I as a smart Human operate on lots of data... and AI and such has allowed me to consume such. The most important medicines in the world are MEMORY retention... It s youd like a conspiracy, eat too much aluminum to give you alzheimers asap so your generation forgets... (based though. hope you undestand what I am saying)
      - Terr_ 2y ago
        > a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation Not LLMs: They might reveal how people are popularly writing about the political structure of the nation. If that were the same as "truth", we wouldn't need any kind of software analysis in the first place.

MegaButts 2y ago

How is it any more accessible now than it was before? Don't you have to fact-check everything it says anyway, effectively doing the research you'd do without it? I'm not saying LLMs are useless, but I do not understand your use case.