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>your argument five days ago was "this is fake news" without citations YOU make the claim, YOU bring sources. The sources did not have any citations that fraud

>your argument five days ago was "this is fake news" without citations YOU make the claim, YOU bring sources. The sources did not have any citations that fraud occurred. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas-izev-rebate-claims-in-2024-chevy-equinox-ev-outpaces-model-3/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas... Tesla clearly outpased the competition, Model Y selling double what the second place competition was. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate-program-doubling-nearest-competitor/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate... Tesla was selling double of what the competition was in the same rebate program less than a year ago. >My understanding is that Transport Canada is currently investigating And they will find nothing, because there is no fraud. The only source you provide has no evidence of fraud except that Tesla was just better at selling vehicles, and they are. Your source and the primary source provides no proof of the supposed fraud, it simply lists quotes from pissed off competitors that didn't sell as many vehicles as Tesla, and therefore were not able to collecte the rebate. >A simple search yields https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn... for citations of program overview. >- "Individuals are eligible for one incentive" >- "Organizations and businesses are eligible for up to 10 incentives. Organizations and businesses that share common ownership, other than common ownership as a result of being a publicly traded company, are considered as one single organization eligible for a combined total of 10" Yes, individuals and companies qualify and the instant point of sale rebate is applied to the sale price after taxes and fees. The dealerships are not entitled the rebate on a per car sold basis, only the individuals are. >The story is that Tesla sold as many cars, at four dealers in three days, almost as many as they sold in Canada in all of Q1 2024 at a time when their Canadian sales are trending down. Tesla does not sell cars at dealerships. All online orders in huge areas 150 kilometers wide get tagged to these show rooms even though you cannot purchase there. >There are 1440 minutes in a day, they sold 8600 cars. Assuming a 12 hour dealer workday at 4 dealers. Articles say 2 cars a minute, I get one car per minute. It still they correctly process the incentives at point of sale or delivery? The investigating will find out. Four dealers doing online sales for large swaths of provinces. These "dealerships" do not have sales staff nor do they actually deliver vehicles many of the times, even though they're double as the "dealership of delivery." >The fraud also might be if anyone bought their own vehicles to sell later, or are otherwise violate the 10 rebates per organization limit and attempted to hide this. This wouldn't be Tesla committing the fraud then.

latentcall 2y ago
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pacifika 2y ago
Please if we can’t debate with civility then there is no value in doing so.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Wasn't my intention to be uncivil.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Tesla is banned from Canada EV rebate program, gov freezes suspicous $43 million in rebates - https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate-program-gov-freezes-suspicous-43-million-rebates/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate... - March 25th, 2025 > Tesla has been banned from upcoming federal EV rebate programs in Canada as the government freezes the suspicious $43 million in rebates that Tesla claimed days before the program was paused earlier this year. > Earlier this month, it was reported that Tesla claimed $43 million in government rebates from the iZEV federal EV rebate program in Canada just a few days before the program was paused due to a lack of funds. > The move was suspicious as it would have required Tesla to deliver over 8,000 vehicles at just 4 locations on a weekend, which is physically impossible. > It is believed that Tesla preemptively filed for thousands of rebates after being made aware of the pause to ensure it wouldn’t run out in an anticipated surge in demand due to the program’s pause. However, this tactic proved problematic. The government told other car dealers who actually delivered EVs before the end of the program that they couldn’t get the rebates, which were already applied to the customer purchases, as Tesla took most of the money for vehicles it likely didn’t deliver. > Today, Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s new transport minister, confirmed that the funds have been frozen until it can investigate precisely what happened with Tesla’s rebates.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Your own source states it's because of the tarrifs and Trump, not because Canadians bought Teslas and filed for the rebate in record numbers: "Furthermore, Freeland confirmed that Tesla will be banned from future federal rebates for electric vehicles. In this case, it has more to do with the trade war launched by President Trump, whose biggest political donor is Tesla CEO Elon Musk." She said (via the Toronto Star): No payments will be made until we are confident that the claims are valid. I also directed my department to change the eligibility criteria for future iZEV programs to ensure that Tesla vehicles will not be eligible for incentives so long as the illegitimate and illegal U.S. tariffs are imposed against Canada."

latentcall 2y ago

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pacifika 2y ago

Please if we can’t debate with civility then there is no value in doing so.

anonfordays 2y ago
Wasn't my intention to be uncivil.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Tesla is banned from Canada EV rebate program, gov freezes suspicous $43 million in rebates - https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate-program-gov-freezes-suspicous-43-million-rebates/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate... - March 25th, 2025 > Tesla has been banned from upcoming federal EV rebate programs in Canada as the government freezes the suspicious $43 million in rebates that Tesla claimed days before the program was paused earlier this year. > Earlier this month, it was reported that Tesla claimed $43 million in government rebates from the iZEV federal EV rebate program in Canada just a few days before the program was paused due to a lack of funds. > The move was suspicious as it would have required Tesla to deliver over 8,000 vehicles at just 4 locations on a weekend, which is physically impossible. > It is believed that Tesla preemptively filed for thousands of rebates after being made aware of the pause to ensure it wouldn’t run out in an anticipated surge in demand due to the program’s pause. However, this tactic proved problematic. The government told other car dealers who actually delivered EVs before the end of the program that they couldn’t get the rebates, which were already applied to the customer purchases, as Tesla took most of the money for vehicles it likely didn’t deliver. > Today, Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s new transport minister, confirmed that the funds have been frozen until it can investigate precisely what happened with Tesla’s rebates.

anonfordays 2y ago
Your own source states it's because of the tarrifs and Trump, not because Canadians bought Teslas and filed for the rebate in record numbers: "Furthermore, Freeland confirmed that Tesla will be banned from future federal rebates for electric vehicles. In this case, it has more to do with the trade war launched by President Trump, whose biggest political donor is Tesla CEO Elon Musk." She said (via the Toronto Star): No payments will be made until we are confident that the claims are valid. I also directed my department to change the eligibility criteria for future iZEV programs to ensure that Tesla vehicles will not be eligible for incentives so long as the illegitimate and illegal U.S. tariffs are imposed against Canada."