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Tell you what, set up a Federal level disclosure process online of all the copyright protected works used in training OpenAI for the creators / rights holders t

Tell you what, set up a Federal level disclosure process online of all the copyright protected works used in training OpenAI for the creators / rights holders to get equity (out of the pockets of the C-Suite and Board) via claiming their due, and we’ll take you seriously. All the profit and none of the liability is Coward Capitalism.

_bin_ 2y ago
this is a misread. it's still unclear whether use of copyrighted works to train LLMs falls under fair use but, with current laws, the answer is probably yes. you may not like that but, even if it changes, existing models were trained under existing law. also what liability do you expect them to assume? they want to offer models while saying "to use these, you must agree we don't have liability for their outputs." if companies want to use these models but don't want to deal with liability themselves, so they demand the government shift the liability to the model vendor (despite the conditions the vendor applied), that sounds like coward capitalism to me. don't like it? don't use their models.
- Xelynega 2y ago
  > with current laws, the answer is probably yes Citation needed, or at least some reasoning. The answer to "is this fair use" can't be "it's fair use because it's fair use" > also what liability do you expect them to assume The same liability anybody does for distributing copyright works without a license? Why are they not liable if it turns out the stuff they've been distributing and making people pay for was content they didn't own the license to distribute?
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moffkalast 2y ago
That's just feudalism with extra steps
bilbo0s 2y ago
All the profit and none of the liability is Coward Capitalism While I agree with you in principle, there's little that can be done because the current crop of crony capitalists will likely support the idea of no liability for tech companies. Especially when it comes to ripping off copyrighted material. Everything from blog posts, to videos, to music, to any source code you post on the internet will be used to train models to be better writers, artists, musicians, and programmers. I feel like the only option left is to find some way to make money on the output of the models. Because the politicians are definitely going to allow the models to make money based on your output.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  appeasement?
reverendsteveii 2y ago
There's an extra word in your last sentence. Privatizing profit and socializing risk and loss is maximizing profit for the individual, and profit maximizing behavior is the only fundamental underpinning of capitalism.

_bin_ 2y ago

this is a misread. it's still unclear whether use of copyrighted works to train LLMs falls under fair use but, with current laws, the answer is probably yes. you may not like that but, even if it changes, existing models were trained under existing law. also what liability do you expect them to assume? they want to offer models while saying "to use these, you must agree we don't have liability for their outputs." if companies want to use these models but don't want to deal with liability themselves, so they demand the government shift the liability to the model vendor (despite the conditions the vendor applied), that sounds like coward capitalism to me. don't like it? don't use their models.

Xelynega 2y ago
> with current laws, the answer is probably yes Citation needed, or at least some reasoning. The answer to "is this fair use" can't be "it's fair use because it's fair use" > also what liability do you expect them to assume The same liability anybody does for distributing copyright works without a license? Why are they not liable if it turns out the stuff they've been distributing and making people pay for was content they didn't own the license to distribute?

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moffkalast 2y ago

That's just feudalism with extra steps

bilbo0s 2y ago

All the profit and none of the liability is Coward Capitalism While I agree with you in principle, there's little that can be done because the current crop of crony capitalists will likely support the idea of no liability for tech companies. Especially when it comes to ripping off copyrighted material. Everything from blog posts, to videos, to music, to any source code you post on the internet will be used to train models to be better writers, artists, musicians, and programmers. I feel like the only option left is to find some way to make money on the output of the models. Because the politicians are definitely going to allow the models to make money based on your output.

mistrial9 2y ago
appeasement?

reverendsteveii 2y ago

There's an extra word in your last sentence. Privatizing profit and socializing risk and loss is maximizing profit for the individual, and profit maximizing behavior is the only fundamental underpinning of capitalism.