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We just lost another Aaron Swartz. Without Carl, there would have been no https://prq.se/ https://prq.se/. Without Pauraque, there would be no WikiLeaks, Pirate

We just lost another Aaron Swartz. Without Carl, there would have been no https://prq.se/ https://prq.se/. Without Pauraque, there would be no WikiLeaks, Pirate Bay and a host of other big things that fundamentally shaped the world. Shit, governments were toppled.

antiracist 2y ago
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- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  Yes yes we get it move along. Everybody you don't like is literally hitler.
  - thrance 2y ago
    Are you actually fine with white supremacists? Or do you just defend them out of ignorance?
    - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
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      - thrance 2y ago
        Disgusting defense, there is something wrong with harassing any citizens whose face you don't think is white enough to belong to "your people", like "Keep Sweden Swedish" did. Why would the skin color of those who lived there 1000 years ago be relevant to anything? I don't see many Americans advocating for an expulsion of all non-indians (rightly so). Also, when was the last time a nationalist wave led to anything good for anyone? All I can recall is ruin and suffering.
        123yawaworht456 2y ago
        >Why would the skin color of those who lived there 1000 years ago be relevant to anything? I don't see many Americans advocating for an expulsion of all non-indians (rightly so). it's kind of too late to expel non-indians, because there are virtually no indians left. there's a lesson to be learned from their fate, don't you think? >Also, when was the last time a nationalist wave led to anything good for anyone? All I can recall is ruin and suffering. well, a fairly recent example would be Ukraine, which would be a Russian province now if it wasn't for their ethnic - yes, ethnic, not civic - nationalism.
      - computerthings 2y ago
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  - dagw 2y ago
    Carl Lundström was literally an active member of a group that would literally wear Nazi symbols and openly shout sieg heil while doing the Nazi salute in public.
chimeracoder 2y ago
> We just lost another Aaron Swartz. There is a world of difference between Aaron Swartz and Carl Lindström, starting with their political ideologies (which in Aaron's case was inseparable from his life's work) and extending through the way they executed on them and their degree of involvement in the causes for which they are the most known. I don't think Aaron Swartz would be happy to hear this comparison if he were alive today.
- wyclif 2y ago
  Carl Lindström's political ideology was also inseparable from his life's work.
  - chimeracoder 2y ago
    > Carl Lindström's political ideology was also inseparable from his life's work. I made no claim about him one way or the other in this regard. That said, if you're going to make the claim that his political ideology was inseparable from his work (in direct contrast to most of the other comments here which say they should be kept separate), then it's worth spelling out why people would celebrating the work of a man with a documented career of being a prominent member of neo-Nazi parties, spanning over 40 years.
    - wyclif 2y ago
      >should be kept separate I think people in this thread have already spelled it out. They appreciate The Pirate Bay and what it stands for.
dagw 2y ago
Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after?
- deleted 2y ago
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- chimeracoder 2y ago
  > Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after? Another question to add to that list: Do you think that the rest of Aaron Swartz's life work was so inconsequential compared to the one thing that everyone seems to remember him for simply because it led to his death, that it justifies this comparison? Is that not relevant in deciding whether to draw a comparison between these two individuals who could not have been more different, both in terms of political ideology and in terms of how they integrated that ideology into their daily lives and actions?
  - dagw 2y ago
    Both Swartz and Lundström seemed to have been first and foremost passionate and unyielding about their politics and I'm sure they both considered their lifelong political activism their true meaningful work, certainly much more important than the things they're most remembered for. Both were willing to sink their considerable wealth into furthering their political causes. Both realised early that the internet would be a vital platform and 'battle ground' for spreading their politics. Both have been willing to break the law in the name of their political ideology. I guess when I put it like that, they actually do have a lot in common.
    - chimeracoder 2y ago
      I can tell you that Aaron Swartz would not be happy to hear that comparison were he alive today, particularly that last part.

antiracist 2y ago

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akimbostrawman 2y ago
Yes yes we get it move along. Everybody you don't like is literally hitler.
- thrance 2y ago
  Are you actually fine with white supremacists? Or do you just defend them out of ignorance?
  - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - thrance 2y ago
      Disgusting defense, there is something wrong with harassing any citizens whose face you don't think is white enough to belong to "your people", like "Keep Sweden Swedish" did. Why would the skin color of those who lived there 1000 years ago be relevant to anything? I don't see many Americans advocating for an expulsion of all non-indians (rightly so). Also, when was the last time a nationalist wave led to anything good for anyone? All I can recall is ruin and suffering.
      - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
        >Why would the skin color of those who lived there 1000 years ago be relevant to anything? I don't see many Americans advocating for an expulsion of all non-indians (rightly so). it's kind of too late to expel non-indians, because there are virtually no indians left. there's a lesson to be learned from their fate, don't you think? >Also, when was the last time a nationalist wave led to anything good for anyone? All I can recall is ruin and suffering. well, a fairly recent example would be Ukraine, which would be a Russian province now if it wasn't for their ethnic - yes, ethnic, not civic - nationalism.
    - computerthings 2y ago
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- dagw 2y ago
  Carl Lundström was literally an active member of a group that would literally wear Nazi symbols and openly shout sieg heil while doing the Nazi salute in public.

chimeracoder 2y ago

> We just lost another Aaron Swartz. There is a world of difference between Aaron Swartz and Carl Lindström, starting with their political ideologies (which in Aaron's case was inseparable from his life's work) and extending through the way they executed on them and their degree of involvement in the causes for which they are the most known. I don't think Aaron Swartz would be happy to hear this comparison if he were alive today.

wyclif 2y ago
Carl Lindström's political ideology was also inseparable from his life's work.
- chimeracoder 2y ago
  > Carl Lindström's political ideology was also inseparable from his life's work. I made no claim about him one way or the other in this regard. That said, if you're going to make the claim that his political ideology was inseparable from his work (in direct contrast to most of the other comments here which say they should be kept separate), then it's worth spelling out why people would celebrating the work of a man with a documented career of being a prominent member of neo-Nazi parties, spanning over 40 years.
  - wyclif 2y ago
    >should be kept separate I think people in this thread have already spelled it out. They appreciate The Pirate Bay and what it stands for.

dagw 2y ago

Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after?

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chimeracoder 2y ago
> Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after? Another question to add to that list: Do you think that the rest of Aaron Swartz's life work was so inconsequential compared to the one thing that everyone seems to remember him for simply because it led to his death, that it justifies this comparison? Is that not relevant in deciding whether to draw a comparison between these two individuals who could not have been more different, both in terms of political ideology and in terms of how they integrated that ideology into their daily lives and actions?
- dagw 2y ago
  Both Swartz and Lundström seemed to have been first and foremost passionate and unyielding about their politics and I'm sure they both considered their lifelong political activism their true meaningful work, certainly much more important than the things they're most remembered for. Both were willing to sink their considerable wealth into furthering their political causes. Both realised early that the internet would be a vital platform and 'battle ground' for spreading their politics. Both have been willing to break the law in the name of their political ideology. I guess when I put it like that, they actually do have a lot in common.
  - chimeracoder 2y ago
    I can tell you that Aaron Swartz would not be happy to hear that comparison were he alive today, particularly that last part.