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Canadian woman sent to Arizona detention for trying to renew her TN visa

24 points by jeromegv 2y ago

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selfhoster 2y ago
"I don’t know how someone in her position can be subject to this" She broke the law, it doesn't matter whether she is attractive, affluent and Canadian.
- jeromegv 2y ago
  She tried to enter with a visa application in her hand and declared it as such, is that what you call breaking the law?
- silverquiet 2y ago
  The first lady seems to have come to the US under similar circumstances.
  - johnea 2y ago
    and elon
- systems 2y ago
  Well I do agree that this statement sounded bad, for me it sounded "how can they treat her this way (inhumane) she is not a poor mexican" its not ok to treat anyone inhumanely, no one ever, not just people in specific situation or from specific background
- f30e3dfed1c9 2y ago
  "Mooney has not been charged with any crime."
- moaf 2y ago
  It's interesting how you read "her position" to mean "affluent, attractive Canadian who broke the law", and not "attempting to pass through a border crossing with an incomplete application for a Trade NAFTA work visa".
- temp84858696945 2y ago
  You know the game Paper's Please? Where you are running border security for a totalitarian communist state? Even that game doesn't want you to detain people for having an improper work visa for entry, just turn them away.
- hw-guy 2y ago
  Read it again...she did not break any law. At most, she should have been given a chance to turn back and try again once she worked out the paperwork. But for Trumpists like you, the cruelty is icing on the cake.
josefritzishere 2y ago
Having incomplete paperwork is not a crime. Our tax dollars are paying for this insanity. It's immoral, and then for addded insult it's a giant waste of money. Prison is very expensive.
- sillywalk 2y ago
  Apparently it's a for-profit prison. https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-so-inhumane-canadian-woman-put-in-chains-detained-by-ice-after-entering-san-diego-border https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s...
  - johnea 2y ago
    Which means, it costs even more tax dollars. I wondered about this with the case of the german woman who was detained for months because she had tattoo equipment. If the logic is that she will work in the US, and take work that would have gone to an american tattoo engraver, that effort to prevent loss seems to be massively undercut by the expense of detention. Prisons cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per year per prisoner. Keeping someone detained for months is going to cost tens of thousands of dollars, at least. Immediate deportation would be the most economical solution to someone attempting to enter without a valid visa. This is again an indication that the effort isn't to save money, it's intimidation, possibly mixed with aiming additional revenue to the private prison industry. In the case of this canadian woman, there doesn't even seem to be any indication that she was attempting to enter on a misleading visa type. It's just pure bullshit by DHS. I live in San Diego, even crossing the border from TJ with a US passport entails dealing with some asshole being unnecessarily abusive. They seem to intentionally hire abusive people, and encourage abusive behavior on the job.
johntitorjr 2y ago
Why was she detained rather than denied entry? If someone doesn't have the necessary paperwork to enter the US, don't let them cross the border. ICE needs to get DOGEd, they're wasting a bunch of tax payer money on providing room and board to illegal immigrants.
wenc 2y ago
I was a TN holder once and had company lawyers prepare my TN dossier so that it was watertight so I was never refused. A refusal should only result in applicant being turned back and asked to try again after having addressed the shortcomings. There is nothing illegal about that. Unless she is being held for something else that the story is not telling us about, refusal is no grounds for detention.
- hw-guy 2y ago
  In Trump's America, it is cruelty for its own sake. I'm sure he's especially gleeful about this happening to a Canadian.
mitchbob 2y ago
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24 points by jeromegv 2y ago

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"I don’t know how someone in her position can be subject to this" She broke the law, it doesn't matter whether she is attractive, affluent and Canadian.

jeromegv 2y ago
She tried to enter with a visa application in her hand and declared it as such, is that what you call breaking the law?
silverquiet 2y ago
The first lady seems to have come to the US under similar circumstances.
- johnea 2y ago
  and elon
systems 2y ago
Well I do agree that this statement sounded bad, for me it sounded "how can they treat her this way (inhumane) she is not a poor mexican" its not ok to treat anyone inhumanely, no one ever, not just people in specific situation or from specific background
f30e3dfed1c9 2y ago
"Mooney has not been charged with any crime."
moaf 2y ago
It's interesting how you read "her position" to mean "affluent, attractive Canadian who broke the law", and not "attempting to pass through a border crossing with an incomplete application for a Trade NAFTA work visa".
temp84858696945 2y ago
You know the game Paper's Please? Where you are running border security for a totalitarian communist state? Even that game doesn't want you to detain people for having an improper work visa for entry, just turn them away.
hw-guy 2y ago
Read it again...she did not break any law. At most, she should have been given a chance to turn back and try again once she worked out the paperwork. But for Trumpists like you, the cruelty is icing on the cake.

josefritzishere 2y ago

Having incomplete paperwork is not a crime. Our tax dollars are paying for this insanity. It's immoral, and then for addded insult it's a giant waste of money. Prison is very expensive.

sillywalk 2y ago
Apparently it's a for-profit prison. https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-so-inhumane-canadian-woman-put-in-chains-detained-by-ice-after-entering-san-diego-border https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s...
- johnea 2y ago
  Which means, it costs even more tax dollars. I wondered about this with the case of the german woman who was detained for months because she had tattoo equipment. If the logic is that she will work in the US, and take work that would have gone to an american tattoo engraver, that effort to prevent loss seems to be massively undercut by the expense of detention. Prisons cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per year per prisoner. Keeping someone detained for months is going to cost tens of thousands of dollars, at least. Immediate deportation would be the most economical solution to someone attempting to enter without a valid visa. This is again an indication that the effort isn't to save money, it's intimidation, possibly mixed with aiming additional revenue to the private prison industry. In the case of this canadian woman, there doesn't even seem to be any indication that she was attempting to enter on a misleading visa type. It's just pure bullshit by DHS. I live in San Diego, even crossing the border from TJ with a US passport entails dealing with some asshole being unnecessarily abusive. They seem to intentionally hire abusive people, and encourage abusive behavior on the job.

johntitorjr 2y ago

Why was she detained rather than denied entry? If someone doesn't have the necessary paperwork to enter the US, don't let them cross the border. ICE needs to get DOGEd, they're wasting a bunch of tax payer money on providing room and board to illegal immigrants.

wenc 2y ago

I was a TN holder once and had company lawyers prepare my TN dossier so that it was watertight so I was never refused. A refusal should only result in applicant being turned back and asked to try again after having addressed the shortcomings. There is nothing illegal about that. Unless she is being held for something else that the story is not telling us about, refusal is no grounds for detention.

hw-guy 2y ago
In Trump's America, it is cruelty for its own sake. I'm sure he's especially gleeful about this happening to a Canadian.

mitchbob 2y ago

https://archive.ph/AFqn1 https://archive.ph/AFqn1