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In other comments you talked about how eu spending money to defend eu[1] and the romanian candidate being arrested for violating the law weren't the right thing

In other comments you talked about how eu spending money to defend eu[1] and the romanian candidate being arrested for violating the law weren't the right things to do[2], or at least complained about how they were done. To my eyes, these things show that in fact, eu is actually doing something about defense and protecting democracy, and to your eyes you see this as more taxes and the death of democracy and an evidence of romania's corruption. What actions would you expect eu to take in regard to ukraine, defense, and protecting democracy? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43287963#43288810 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43287963#43288810 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43278705#43278894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43278705#43278894 (not just the first comment, the chain of answers is needed to be read as well)

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
What's you point by moving the discussion to something else by bringing up tangential but unrelated comments I made a while ago? Sorry, I'm not gonna bite and feed the trolls..
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  I showed some things that you do not see as the right course of action for the eu, i'm not moving the discussion. I'm genuinely interested in the path you would take regarding defense in europe
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    It wouldn't be wise for me to further engage with people who's defense to all arguments they don't agree with is accusing people of being pro-Russian[1] or victims of Russian propaganda[1] without any evidence, and then later try to frame it as some form of curiosity on their part in order to absolve themselves of bad faith argumentation and move the accusations towards the other party, a well known technique tabloid reporters use to get a soundbite. It's fine by me if you think whoever you want as pro-Russian, I just don't want to be dragged into it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43295033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43295033
    - amarcheschi 2y ago
      As a matter of fact, there was evidence - multiple evidences - that lead to the arrest of the Romanian candidate you talked about. If not believing evidences - multiple ones - is not a proof of being influenced by Russian propaganda, a country that has repeatedly interfered in European affairs, I do not know what would be categorized as being influenced by Russian propaganda. Maybe directly going to Moscow and fighting for Russia? Anyway, I was genuinely curious about your ideas on European defense, since you don't see many shared values in eu i was intrigued to see the views of someone who doesn't see Europe as more than a merely political one, with no common values

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

What's you point by moving the discussion to something else by bringing up tangential but unrelated comments I made a while ago? Sorry, I'm not gonna bite and feed the trolls..

amarcheschi 2y ago
I showed some things that you do not see as the right course of action for the eu, i'm not moving the discussion. I'm genuinely interested in the path you would take regarding defense in europe
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  It wouldn't be wise for me to further engage with people who's defense to all arguments they don't agree with is accusing people of being pro-Russian[1] or victims of Russian propaganda[1] without any evidence, and then later try to frame it as some form of curiosity on their part in order to absolve themselves of bad faith argumentation and move the accusations towards the other party, a well known technique tabloid reporters use to get a soundbite. It's fine by me if you think whoever you want as pro-Russian, I just don't want to be dragged into it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43295033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43295033
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    As a matter of fact, there was evidence - multiple evidences - that lead to the arrest of the Romanian candidate you talked about. If not believing evidences - multiple ones - is not a proof of being influenced by Russian propaganda, a country that has repeatedly interfered in European affairs, I do not know what would be categorized as being influenced by Russian propaganda. Maybe directly going to Moscow and fighting for Russia? Anyway, I was genuinely curious about your ideas on European defense, since you don't see many shared values in eu i was intrigued to see the views of someone who doesn't see Europe as more than a merely political one, with no common values