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do you have a source?

by hhh 2y ago

malcolmgreaves 2y ago
Of course not :)
- thatguy0900 2y ago
  There is a source posted, and it's pretty damning. You should genuinely read it. It includes a test with questions like what was your best course in college, and what is your best course in high school, that have different correct answers. The answers to the test were also given out to groups of interest. You can take the test yourself, it's genuinely baffling.
  - MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
    Didn't that program end nearly a decade ago?
bberenberg 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203 is the broader discussion on this claim from a month ago. I’m not taking a position here, just sharing the rabbit hole if people want to burn their day.
- phonon 2y ago
  That was in effect from 2013 to 2016, until Congress stopped it. Hard to say those three years are still to blame...
- skyyler 2y ago
  From that discussion: >Taking old, resolved scandals - slapping a coat of culture war paint on it - and then selling it as a new scandal is already a popular MO for state-sponsored propoganda, so we should be extra wary of stories like this being massaged. I think legitster is right here.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - RandomBacon 2y ago
    and the top reply to "legitster"'s comment with that quote says: "The article actually shows that dei considerations were central to the original changes, not just recent framing." User "legitster" is not very legit. They wrote nonsense including something about a "secret racial kabal" elsewhere that I took apart and they didn't have any reaponse to because they were so wrong. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936278 Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA.
    - skyyler 2y ago
      Also from the link, >Congress stopped the shitty behavior quiz 9 years ago Your attempts to discredit someone you clearly have beef with have fallen flat. Have a good one.
      - RandomBacon 2y ago
        If that's you're take, I hope you have a good one too, you seem to need it. I also hope you learn that in ATC, hiring (and firing) practices can have a long, very long, lasting effect. Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA. (I'm an Air Traffic Contoller and I'm required to say something to that effect. I also was not directly affected by that quiz, but the quiz had effects which impacted the NAS (National Airspace System) which indirectly impacts me.)
        skyyler 2y ago
        >in ATC, hiring (and firing) practices can have a long, very long, lasting effect. Do you think that's unique to ATC?
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        It definitely doesn't apply to jobs like McDonald's that can easily adapt its workforce numbers. McDonald's has maybe a 3-5 day training period, ATC has a 3-5 year training period. In other professional jobs, people generally aren't forced out at a certain age, so that's fairly unique to FAA ATC and adds the dynamic that I mentioned in another comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43356217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43356217

do you have a source?

by hhh 2y ago

do you have a source?

malcolmgreaves 2y ago

Of course not :)

thatguy0900 2y ago
There is a source posted, and it's pretty damning. You should genuinely read it. It includes a test with questions like what was your best course in college, and what is your best course in high school, that have different correct answers. The answers to the test were also given out to groups of interest. You can take the test yourself, it's genuinely baffling.
- MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
  Didn't that program end nearly a decade ago?

bberenberg 2y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203 is the broader discussion on this claim from a month ago. I’m not taking a position here, just sharing the rabbit hole if people want to burn their day.

phonon 2y ago
That was in effect from 2013 to 2016, until Congress stopped it. Hard to say those three years are still to blame...
skyyler 2y ago
From that discussion: >Taking old, resolved scandals - slapping a coat of culture war paint on it - and then selling it as a new scandal is already a popular MO for state-sponsored propoganda, so we should be extra wary of stories like this being massaged. I think legitster is right here.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- RandomBacon 2y ago
  and the top reply to "legitster"'s comment with that quote says: "The article actually shows that dei considerations were central to the original changes, not just recent framing." User "legitster" is not very legit. They wrote nonsense including something about a "secret racial kabal" elsewhere that I took apart and they didn't have any reaponse to because they were so wrong. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936278 Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA.
  - skyyler 2y ago
    Also from the link, >Congress stopped the shitty behavior quiz 9 years ago Your attempts to discredit someone you clearly have beef with have fallen flat. Have a good one.
    - RandomBacon 2y ago
      If that's you're take, I hope you have a good one too, you seem to need it. I also hope you learn that in ATC, hiring (and firing) practices can have a long, very long, lasting effect. Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA. (I'm an Air Traffic Contoller and I'm required to say something to that effect. I also was not directly affected by that quiz, but the quiz had effects which impacted the NAS (National Airspace System) which indirectly impacts me.)
      - skyyler 2y ago
        >in ATC, hiring (and firing) practices can have a long, very long, lasting effect. Do you think that's unique to ATC?
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        It definitely doesn't apply to jobs like McDonald's that can easily adapt its workforce numbers. McDonald's has maybe a 3-5 day training period, ATC has a 3-5 year training period. In other professional jobs, people generally aren't forced out at a certain age, so that's fairly unique to FAA ATC and adds the dynamic that I mentioned in another comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43356217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43356217