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> by blaming the disaster on diversity programs, a pronouncement that baffled many in the agency’s workforce Fascinating, because the FAA has one of the larges
by exabrial 2y ago
> by blaming the disaster on diversity programs, a pronouncement that baffled many in the agency’s workforce
Fascinating, because the FAA has one of the largest scale DEI programs that limited hiring of qualified individuals. I think this criticism is completely valid.
- hhh 2y agodo you have a source?
- malcolmgreaves 2y agoOf course not :)
- thatguy0900 2y agoThere is a source posted, and it's pretty damning. You should genuinely read it. It includes a test with questions like what was your best course in college, and what is your best course in high school, that have different correct answers. The answers to the test were also given out to groups of interest. You can take the test yourself, it's genuinely baffling.
- MyOutfitIsVague 2y agoDidn't that program end nearly a decade ago?
- bberenberg 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203 is the broader discussion on this claim from a month ago. I’m not taking a position here, just sharing the rabbit hole if people want to burn their day.
- phonon 2y agoThat was in effect from 2013 to 2016, until Congress stopped it. Hard to say those three years are still to blame...
- skyyler 2y agoFrom that discussion: >Taking old, resolved scandals - slapping a coat of culture war paint on it - and then selling it as a new scandal is already a popular MO for state-sponsored propoganda, so we should be extra wary of stories like this being massaged. I think legitster is right here.
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- RandomBacon 2y agoand the top reply to "legitster"'s comment with that quote says: "The article actually shows that dei considerations were central to the original changes, not just recent framing." User "legitster" is not very legit. They wrote nonsense including something about a "secret racial kabal" elsewhere that I took apart and they didn't have any reaponse to because they were so wrong. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936278 Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA.
- skyyler 2y agoAlso from the link, >Congress stopped the shitty behavior quiz 9 years ago Your attempts to discredit someone you clearly have beef with have fallen flat. Have a good one.
- RandomBacon 2y agoIf that's you're take, I hope you have a good one too, you seem to need it. I also hope you learn that in ATC, hiring (and firing) practices can have a long, very long, lasting effect. Opinions are my own and not necessarily that of the FAA. (I'm an Air Traffic Contoller and I'm required to say something to that effect. I also was not directly affected by that quiz, but the quiz had effects which impacted the NAS (National Airspace System) which indirectly impacts me.)
- malcolmgreaves 2y ago[flagged]
- haswell 2y agoI support DEI initiatives in general and think they’re important. But please educate yourself about the situation at the FAA. There’s a failure mode that DEI opponents point to regarding deprioritizing actual talent for the sake of the DEI goals. This failure mode is often a red herring because the two goals aren’t mutually exclusive (find talent, build a diverse team). But the FAA by many accounts did the thing people were worried about. This is not an indictment of DEI efforts in general, but is an issue with a specific implementation.
- exabrial 2y agoPlease don’t call me a racist, that’s incredibly ignorant, you don’t know me, and hate speech in its own right.
- Tadpole9181 2y agoCalling someone racist isn't hate speech.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoCalling someone racist is not hate speech my lord. If you don't want to be called racist don't say racist shit it's not hard. But if saying racist things on the tech news site is important to you then you're going to have to stand up for your values and take a little heat about it.
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- Yeul 2y agoThe anti DEI crowd forgets that not long ago people got hired because they had a penis or white skin.
- DaSHacka 2y agoTwo wrongs make a right?
- giraffe_lady 2y agoActually sometimes yes.
- Our_Benefactors 2y agoIs this one of those times?
- giraffe_lady 2y agoNo. There's only one wrong here and it's the segregationist revanchism.
- johntitorjr 2y ago[dead]
- lithos 2y agoThe FAA also pulled a Trump University on people in FAA college programs, destroying their recruitment pipeline in the process. Pulled the rug on students on a very specialized program, that transfers nowhere, and that had near guaranteed placement.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoI mean what I saw is that planes started falling out of the sky the moment the war on diversity was made official policy. It certainly gives the impression DEI is what was keeping this country running.
- jayGlow 2y agowere there significantly more plane crashes or significantly more media coverage of the plane crashes? this seems similar to the train derailment a few years ago where they seemed more common due to more media exposure.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoI don't actually believe DEI policies were why our air safety was good. I'm drawing attention to the fact that OP doesn't think DEI was why it was bad either, because it wasn't. They want segregation again and this is their most sympathetic case for it. One that journalists and HN commenters are happy to "steelman" into a policy that sounds like it makes sense even though it does not.