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Department of education cuts are the most disliked by Americans. And that is despite years of right wing attacks on public education. Most people are actually

by watwut 2y ago

Department of education cuts are the most disliked by Americans. And that is despite years of right wing attacks on public education. Most people are actually happy with own public school and unhappy about generic unspecified other bad schools they read about on media.

rayiner 2y ago
You think the people are happy with spending more and getting declining test scores in return? Is that because people like you hand-wave away spending more for declining test scores as a “right-wing attack?”
- watwut 2y ago
  That is what was came out of opinion searches. Most people were actually happy with public schools their kids went to. They had general opinion that some schools somewhere else are bad. And that is also actual reality - areas that collect a little on taxes have worst schools (and healthcare) then areas willing or having funds to pay them. Also, when it come to DOGE, education department cuts are the ones American seem to mark as least popular. Yet also, lets not pretend that cutting money that goes toward healthy lunch have anything to do with trying to raise test scores. Cutting support for special needs students wont raise those test scores either.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    Differences between districts wouldn't explain why overall scores are static to declining while Dept. of Ed. funding has increased by a factor of four. Also, is your theory that people are satisfied with paying much more for education without scores going up? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
    - pcwalton 2y ago
      Abolishing the DoE is wildly unpopular, even among Republicans: https://all4ed.org/publication/voters-views-on-education-in-2024/ https://all4ed.org/publication/voters-views-on-education-in-... You're in a significant minority even within your own party.
      - rayiner 2y ago
        That depends on the poll.[1] Regardless, abolishment isn’t on the table. What’s happening is firing half the workforce and refocusing the rest on core tasks. How many employees do you need to redirect Title I funds as block grants to states? [1] This Data for Progress poll shows that 58% of republicans support abolishing it: https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/12/2/voters-agree-k-12-education-is-off-track-oppose-eliminating-the-department-of-education https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/12/2/voters-agree-....

by watwut 2y ago

rayiner 2y ago

You think the people are happy with spending more and getting declining test scores in return? Is that because people like you hand-wave away spending more for declining test scores as a “right-wing attack?”

watwut 2y ago
That is what was came out of opinion searches. Most people were actually happy with public schools their kids went to. They had general opinion that some schools somewhere else are bad. And that is also actual reality - areas that collect a little on taxes have worst schools (and healthcare) then areas willing or having funds to pay them. Also, when it come to DOGE, education department cuts are the ones American seem to mark as least popular. Yet also, lets not pretend that cutting money that goes toward healthy lunch have anything to do with trying to raise test scores. Cutting support for special needs students wont raise those test scores either.
- rayiner 2y ago
  Differences between districts wouldn't explain why overall scores are static to declining while Dept. of Ed. funding has increased by a factor of four. Also, is your theory that people are satisfied with paying much more for education without scores going up? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
  - pcwalton 2y ago
    Abolishing the DoE is wildly unpopular, even among Republicans: https://all4ed.org/publication/voters-views-on-education-in-2024/ https://all4ed.org/publication/voters-views-on-education-in-... You're in a significant minority even within your own party.
    - rayiner 2y ago
      That depends on the poll.[1] Regardless, abolishment isn’t on the table. What’s happening is firing half the workforce and refocusing the rest on core tasks. How many employees do you need to redirect Title I funds as block grants to states? [1] This Data for Progress poll shows that 58% of republicans support abolishing it: https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/12/2/voters-agree-k-12-education-is-off-track-oppose-eliminating-the-department-of-education https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/12/2/voters-agree-....