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This is crazy.. you guys are focused on vans and mini stories when all his sacrifice and that of thousand if not more americans was snuffed. `Congress interven

by taosx 2y ago

This is crazy.. you guys are focused on vans and mini stories when all his sacrifice and that of thousand if not more americans was snuffed. `Congress intervened by passing the FISA Amendments Act which, in part, granted “retroactive immunity” to the telecommunications carriers for their involvement in the NSA spying programs. This massive grant of immunity for past violations of multiple state and federal laws protecting communications privacy was unprecedented.`

kstrauser 2y ago
Be the change you want to see. I mentioned the vans and his dogs because Mark wasn't some random picture on the Internet, but the nice guy a couple houses down who talked about the volunteer work he did for harbor seals[0]. He was a real person we liked a lot and I thought others might enjoy hearing about his noisy, overprotective golden retrievers. But yes, he was also a personal hero to me before I met him in real life, and we should absolutely still be talking about the things he uncovered and what happened to them afterward. Please do tell those stories, too. [0]https://goldengatebirdalliance.org/blog-posts/wild-ly-successful-in-alameda-4-6/ https://goldengatebirdalliance.org/blog-posts/wild-ly-succes...
- jll29 2y ago
  Where are today's technicians that are prostituting themselves for the communications companies around the world that this can still be happening? Man up and remove those splitters, cables, show us the drawings, reports and PPT slides! R.I.P. Mark
  - lukan 2y ago
    I guess not too many want to have to hide in russia.
    - firen777 2y ago
      Judging from the way things are going, what's the difference?
ziddoap 2y ago
Mark Klein was not some mythical hero, but a real person who did heroic things. It's nice to be reminded of that. If anything, I find it inspiring.
- HexPhantom 2y ago
  That kind of courage is rare, and it makes his story even more powerful. Real people can make a difference
- leotravis10 2y ago
  Indeed, something that we sadly lack today. We need people like Mark more than ever, not less.
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shadowgovt 2y ago
You have to remember that half, possibly more than half, of the country is more than okay with what the NSA was doing and is doing. It's not at all surprising that Congress would indemnify people for, more or less, doing what Congress authorized them to do. If we don't like it, we could consider, maybe not voting the same people into that Congress. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. A full 24 Senators and 63 Representatives have held their seats for over 36 years. That's not what you'd expect of a citizenship that was actually upset about being spied upon by their government.
- llmthrow103 2y ago
  It's obviously not a problem of electing the wrong people. There are enough checks and balances in the system to ensure that there is no change forthcoming.
  - shadowgovt 2y ago
    The system is, indeed, set up to minimize revolutionary churn. The tilt that we're seeing right now towards fascism and white nationalism has been some 40 years in the making. It takes a lot of organization to tilt the whole thing. This is a feature, not a bug. The system is architected, when something is controversial, default to no motion.
- timewizard 2y ago
  > You have to remember that half, possibly more than half, of the country is more than okay with what the NSA was doing and is doing. I doubt this. I'd also be interested to see if those people actually know, on any real level, what the NSA was actually doing. > If we don't like it, we could consider, maybe not voting the same people into that Congress. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. They so reliably do the opposite of what people want and yet continue to win. You don't find this at all odd and you put it down to lack of consideration on the part of the electorate. > That's not what you'd expect of a citizenship that was actually upset about being spied upon by their government. The joys of being old enough to remember the Church Committee, The House Select Committee on Assassinations, The JFK Records Review Board. PEOPLE ARE CLEARLY NOT OKAY WITH THIS. Yet those who carry water for the deep state are unimpeded by this. Please see this, or at least, don't repeat simple falsehoods about the electorate. It's like coming across a drowning man and laughing in his face about his predicament.
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georgeplusplus 2y ago
So glad you pointed this out. people are numb to these sort of news now a days. Reminds me of George Carlins words, “ It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got.”
HexPhantom 2y ago
He risked everything, and in the end, the system closed ranks to protect itself. Retroactive immunity was basically a way of saying - "Yep, it was illegal, but it doesn't matter."

by taosx 2y ago

kstrauser 2y ago

Be the change you want to see. I mentioned the vans and his dogs because Mark wasn't some random picture on the Internet, but the nice guy a couple houses down who talked about the volunteer work he did for harbor seals[0]. He was a real person we liked a lot and I thought others might enjoy hearing about his noisy, overprotective golden retrievers. But yes, he was also a personal hero to me before I met him in real life, and we should absolutely still be talking about the things he uncovered and what happened to them afterward. Please do tell those stories, too. [0]https://goldengatebirdalliance.org/blog-posts/wild-ly-successful-in-alameda-4-6/ https://goldengatebirdalliance.org/blog-posts/wild-ly-succes...

jll29 2y ago
Where are today's technicians that are prostituting themselves for the communications companies around the world that this can still be happening? Man up and remove those splitters, cables, show us the drawings, reports and PPT slides! R.I.P. Mark
- lukan 2y ago
  I guess not too many want to have to hide in russia.
  - firen777 2y ago
    Judging from the way things are going, what's the difference?

ziddoap 2y ago

Mark Klein was not some mythical hero, but a real person who did heroic things. It's nice to be reminded of that. If anything, I find it inspiring.

HexPhantom 2y ago
That kind of courage is rare, and it makes his story even more powerful. Real people can make a difference
leotravis10 2y ago
Indeed, something that we sadly lack today. We need people like Mark more than ever, not less.

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shadowgovt 2y ago

You have to remember that half, possibly more than half, of the country is more than okay with what the NSA was doing and is doing. It's not at all surprising that Congress would indemnify people for, more or less, doing what Congress authorized them to do. If we don't like it, we could consider, maybe not voting the same people into that Congress. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. A full 24 Senators and 63 Representatives have held their seats for over 36 years. That's not what you'd expect of a citizenship that was actually upset about being spied upon by their government.

llmthrow103 2y ago
It's obviously not a problem of electing the wrong people. There are enough checks and balances in the system to ensure that there is no change forthcoming.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  The system is, indeed, set up to minimize revolutionary churn. The tilt that we're seeing right now towards fascism and white nationalism has been some 40 years in the making. It takes a lot of organization to tilt the whole thing. This is a feature, not a bug. The system is architected, when something is controversial, default to no motion.
timewizard 2y ago
> You have to remember that half, possibly more than half, of the country is more than okay with what the NSA was doing and is doing. I doubt this. I'd also be interested to see if those people actually know, on any real level, what the NSA was actually doing. > If we don't like it, we could consider, maybe not voting the same people into that Congress. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. They so reliably do the opposite of what people want and yet continue to win. You don't find this at all odd and you put it down to lack of consideration on the part of the electorate. > That's not what you'd expect of a citizenship that was actually upset about being spied upon by their government. The joys of being old enough to remember the Church Committee, The House Select Committee on Assassinations, The JFK Records Review Board. PEOPLE ARE CLEARLY NOT OKAY WITH THIS. Yet those who carry water for the deep state are unimpeded by this. Please see this, or at least, don't repeat simple falsehoods about the electorate. It's like coming across a drowning man and laughing in his face about his predicament.

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georgeplusplus 2y ago

So glad you pointed this out. people are numb to these sort of news now a days. Reminds me of George Carlins words, “ It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got.”

HexPhantom 2y ago

He risked everything, and in the end, the system closed ranks to protect itself. Retroactive immunity was basically a way of saying - "Yep, it was illegal, but it doesn't matter."