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Anonymous sources: Starship will need a major rebuild after consecutive failures

16 points by wallflower 2y ago

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lesuorac 2y ago
Must be pretty embarrassing to be Elon. Failing to accomplish what the bloated wasteful government achieved 40 years ago.
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- marssaxman 2y ago
  Which branch of the government was it that built a fully reusable launcher capable of putting 100 tons into orbit? Must have been some incredibly secret military project, because it certainly wasn't NASA. Musk has plenty he should feel ashamed about, but you're really selling the SpaceX Starship engineering team short here.
  - Zigurd 2y ago
    "selling the SpaceX Starship engineering team short here." Ehhh. Cybertruck, too? Tunnels, too? Dead chimps and bad brain surgery? There is a common thread of hype, ego, or ketamine, driven engineering fiats, cheapness alternating with extravagance, and insecurity across all of Elonland. I started watching Starship because I thought the "iterative" and "agile"-ish approach to the project was a lesson software people should learn about not taking even a very successful practice of Agile to projects where it has no business being. If you do a proper critical path analysis of the starship project, even a casual one, you will conclude that it's going to be reusable and have that payload capacity somewhere between seven years from now and never, and cost more than whatever ULA and Boeing (!!) are doing.
    - marssaxman 2y ago
      I am not here to defend Musk, whose ego has obviously run away with him, nor to praise his empire of bullshit and flim-flam: just to point out that of all the things one could reasonably criticize him for, a lack of ambition in the Starship project really isn't one of them.
      - croes 2y ago
        It’s not the lack of ambition that get criticized. It’s the lack of precision and security checks. The 7th start and fuel leaks are still a problem?
fred_is_fred 2y ago
Oh no. That's terrible.
- sixothree 2y ago
  Anyway…
ianburrell 2y ago
The last two failures have been ship Block 2. Block 1 had successful launches with three landings in ocean. I'm surprised that they didn't finish the orbit and return testing with Block 1 before upgrading.

16 points by wallflower 2y ago

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Must be pretty embarrassing to be Elon. Failing to accomplish what the bloated wasteful government achieved 40 years ago.

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marssaxman 2y ago
Which branch of the government was it that built a fully reusable launcher capable of putting 100 tons into orbit? Must have been some incredibly secret military project, because it certainly wasn't NASA. Musk has plenty he should feel ashamed about, but you're really selling the SpaceX Starship engineering team short here.
- Zigurd 2y ago
  "selling the SpaceX Starship engineering team short here." Ehhh. Cybertruck, too? Tunnels, too? Dead chimps and bad brain surgery? There is a common thread of hype, ego, or ketamine, driven engineering fiats, cheapness alternating with extravagance, and insecurity across all of Elonland. I started watching Starship because I thought the "iterative" and "agile"-ish approach to the project was a lesson software people should learn about not taking even a very successful practice of Agile to projects where it has no business being. If you do a proper critical path analysis of the starship project, even a casual one, you will conclude that it's going to be reusable and have that payload capacity somewhere between seven years from now and never, and cost more than whatever ULA and Boeing (!!) are doing.
  - marssaxman 2y ago
    I am not here to defend Musk, whose ego has obviously run away with him, nor to praise his empire of bullshit and flim-flam: just to point out that of all the things one could reasonably criticize him for, a lack of ambition in the Starship project really isn't one of them.
    - croes 2y ago
      It’s not the lack of ambition that get criticized. It’s the lack of precision and security checks. The 7th start and fuel leaks are still a problem?

fred_is_fred 2y ago

Oh no. That's terrible.

sixothree 2y ago
Anyway…

ianburrell 2y ago

The last two failures have been ship Block 2. Block 1 had successful launches with three landings in ocean. I'm surprised that they didn't finish the orbit and return testing with Block 1 before upgrading.