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Sounds like Xerox, they had cutting edge everything in the 70s, did nothing with it. Or AT&T, with Bell Labs inventing Unix. Or Kodak inventing the portable dig

by soperj 2y ago

Sounds like Xerox, they had cutting edge everything in the 70s, did nothing with it. Or AT&T, with Bell Labs inventing Unix. Or Kodak inventing the portable digital camera in 1975.

causal 2y ago
Was thinking the same thing. In some ways OpenAI is the Apple to Google's Xerox.
- synergy20 2y ago
  really? just unsubscribed OpenAI today, was one of the first to subscribe, now it lost all its edge to me, so many options elsewhere, paid or free to use. OpenAI is fading away fast. Plus all major leaders left, Microsoft is leaving too, I don't feel its future is promising anymore.
  - causal 2y ago
    That's fair. I would argue that OpenAI capitalized on transformer tech in a way that Google was late to do, but we shall see if Google will adapt faster than Xerox could
    - jeffbee 2y ago
      So far OpenAI has done nothing other than spend billions of Microsoft's dollars.
      - falcor84 2y ago
        As anecdata, I would offer that the conversations I've had with ChatGPT over these couple of years have been incredible for me. Even just for relieving loneliness, it's been worth the monthly subscription a few times over. Maybe the company and their business model are doomed to fail, but I'm grateful for what they enabled so far.
        synergy20 2y ago
        that's true, there are just many options these days and I think OpenAI was not keeping its team together and innovating fast enough. the first-move advantage is disappearing quickly.
- karmasimida 2y ago
  Google is the new MSFT. It won’t go anywhere, Windows is still a thing. But ChaGPT is a fundamental threat to its search business. It replaces Google for me 50% of the time. It is the natural language search engine people tried to build
  - dhosek 2y ago
    I’ve seen too much inaccurate info from AI to have any trust in it. From declaring the Eiffel Tower the world’s largest Ferris wheel to claiming that hippos can be trained to perform complex medical procedures, it all seems a hot mess. You might say, yeah, but I can spot those mistakes, but can you really? I showed my fifth-grade son the result of asking if hippos were intelligent and the absurdity of the answer didn’t leap out at him. Now, consider something that’s more subtly wrong like an invented precedent in an AI-generated legal brief or a non-existent citation or citation that doesn’t support the claim and it’s all a disaster.
    - karmasimida 2y ago
      If you connect ChatGPT to a traditional search engine, it will suffer much less such issues. It essentially digests 100 webpages for you, then render it in a single answer. For sure, hallucinations will always be there, but I don't think it will hinder its take over, the usage trumps its shortcomings
      - rs186 2y ago
        This. Yesterday I tried asking ChatGPT "Can an Amazon L6 software engineer afford a house in [location]", without explicitly using the search mode. It went to levels.fyi to look up salary and redfin to look up housing price (exactly how I would have done it myself), and gave me a reasonable answer that agrees with my own analysis, and is definitely much faster than clicking things around myself.
        mitthrowaway2 2y ago
        How did you confirm that it queried levels.fyi and redfin?

by soperj 2y ago

Sounds like Xerox, they had cutting edge everything in the 70s, did nothing with it. Or AT&T, with Bell Labs inventing Unix. Or Kodak inventing the portable digital camera in 1975.

causal 2y ago

Was thinking the same thing. In some ways OpenAI is the Apple to Google's Xerox.

synergy20 2y ago
really? just unsubscribed OpenAI today, was one of the first to subscribe, now it lost all its edge to me, so many options elsewhere, paid or free to use. OpenAI is fading away fast. Plus all major leaders left, Microsoft is leaving too, I don't feel its future is promising anymore.
- causal 2y ago
  That's fair. I would argue that OpenAI capitalized on transformer tech in a way that Google was late to do, but we shall see if Google will adapt faster than Xerox could
  - jeffbee 2y ago
    So far OpenAI has done nothing other than spend billions of Microsoft's dollars.
    - falcor84 2y ago
      As anecdata, I would offer that the conversations I've had with ChatGPT over these couple of years have been incredible for me. Even just for relieving loneliness, it's been worth the monthly subscription a few times over. Maybe the company and their business model are doomed to fail, but I'm grateful for what they enabled so far.
      - synergy20 2y ago
        that's true, there are just many options these days and I think OpenAI was not keeping its team together and innovating fast enough. the first-move advantage is disappearing quickly.
karmasimida 2y ago
Google is the new MSFT. It won’t go anywhere, Windows is still a thing. But ChaGPT is a fundamental threat to its search business. It replaces Google for me 50% of the time. It is the natural language search engine people tried to build
- dhosek 2y ago
  I’ve seen too much inaccurate info from AI to have any trust in it. From declaring the Eiffel Tower the world’s largest Ferris wheel to claiming that hippos can be trained to perform complex medical procedures, it all seems a hot mess. You might say, yeah, but I can spot those mistakes, but can you really? I showed my fifth-grade son the result of asking if hippos were intelligent and the absurdity of the answer didn’t leap out at him. Now, consider something that’s more subtly wrong like an invented precedent in an AI-generated legal brief or a non-existent citation or citation that doesn’t support the claim and it’s all a disaster.
  - karmasimida 2y ago
    If you connect ChatGPT to a traditional search engine, it will suffer much less such issues. It essentially digests 100 webpages for you, then render it in a single answer. For sure, hallucinations will always be there, but I don't think it will hinder its take over, the usage trumps its shortcomings
    - rs186 2y ago
      This. Yesterday I tried asking ChatGPT "Can an Amazon L6 software engineer afford a house in [location]", without explicitly using the search mode. It went to levels.fyi to look up salary and redfin to look up housing price (exactly how I would have done it myself), and gave me a reasonable answer that agrees with my own analysis, and is definitely much faster than clicking things around myself.
      - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
        How did you confirm that it queried levels.fyi and redfin?