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I hate having to wear headphones in order to block obnoxious sounds. Obnoxiously loud people should simply stop being obnoxiously loud. Houses needed better sou

by elric 2y ago

I hate having to wear headphones in order to block obnoxious sounds. Obnoxiously loud people should simply stop being obnoxiously loud. Houses needed better sound proofing. Vehicles need to be quieter. Planes shouldn't fly over densely populated areas. So much noise is utterly pointless. A symptom of wasted energy. Soundproofing homes during renovations is stupidly hard to do. E.g. I can't soundproof a party wall without tearing down and replacing a staircase. I installed new windows which block a lot of sound (double glazing, where each pane is of a different thickness), but noise makes it way in through vents and cracks all the same.

Ntrails 2y ago
Every night I can hear ubers reversing up the road with their obnoxiously loud lorry-style reversing warning beep. If I'm not already asleep, it keeps me up (and for some reason it takes them forever to park or whatever they're doing). Obviously it's marginally more safe than not having a beep! So, you know, ancillary impacts be damned...
- arp242 2y ago
  It's also a solved problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rwJ5NCf1Vw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rwJ5NCf1Vw Tesco delivery trucks have them here in Ireland; it's pretty good stuff. Still quite loud/noticeable when you're up close, while at the same time not being completely obnoxious to everyone in a kilometre radius. Looking at their website it mentions several patents, so perhaps that's one reason it's not more widely used.
  - amenhotep 2y ago
    Good lord, I've gone a long time without knowing what that was all about. First time I heard it I assumed the lorry had a broken reversing beep speaker or something!
- elric 2y ago
  Car alarms are similar. Maybe (but doubtfully) they'll prevent your car from being stolen/trashed/emptied. But at the cost of waking up an entire neighbourhood every time a bird shits on it a little too forcefully (or whatever it is that randomly sets off car alarms in the middle of the night). That's not a tradeoff that works for me. Your house is on fire? Fine, wake up the whole neighbourhood. You're in physical danger? Sure, emergency services can be as noisy as they need to be. Some of your stuff is in danger of being stolen? Meh, I don't want to get out of bed for that.
froh 2y ago
We have obnoxiously loud little people around and sometimes no matter what I say they forget or outright refuse simply stopping being obnoxiously loud. noise cancelling headphones are a godsend, making the noise level bearable so we react reasonably and kindly despite obnoxiously loud little people.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Yea, if we could solve the "Obnoxious People" problem, it would solve a huge number of other problems. It's wild how much unpleasantness in the world boils down to a few anti-social, obnoxious, belligerent jerks ruining it for everyone.
  - Lanolderen 2y ago
    From the "obnoxious person" perspective a few anti-social karens and kents should get with the times and stop ruining things for everyone. /s It's all subjective. To me the idea of living in a city and hearing your pulse sounds like living in the rubber room of an asylum. Going to great lengths to do so is weird to me. I do however find the sound of engines and cars/planes pleasant so I'm probably lucky.
    - wholinator2 2y ago
      Yeah regular cars aren't a problem, but the kind of cars that are made to be intentionally loud, driven by people who take pleasure in driving them intentionally loudly is. Also blaaaasting some fucking song from your motorcycle at max volume just sitting at a stoplight outside my house is insane. Police sirens are also loud but the loud is a biproduct of the helping people so i can understand it. But holy shit I'm moving somewhere far away from intersections as soon as my lease is up.
      - tristor 2y ago
        Loud cars aren't /inherently/ the issue, it's that most of the people who want their car to be loud also have no concept of sound quality for their exhaust tone. Your typical 4-banger ecobox driven by a 19 year old stoner with an Aliexpress exhaust is not what people mean when they say that they like the sound of cars. I like the sounds of cars, and cars can absolutely have their sound tuned to be pleasant. Famously, Lexus for the LFA had Yamaha (yes the piano people) tune the sound of the engine and exhaust, which sounds absolutely lovely. Even far more mundane vehicles (not supercars) can sound quite nice. For instance, while I generally don't think positively about Ford, this last generation of Mustang GT had a wonderful exhaust note from the factory with the cutouts open, it was throaty and loud without being full of drone. Nobody wants to hear an Aliexpress exhaust or the kid with the beater BMW leaking oil that they put a popcorn tune on. Motorcycles are a different story, but motorcycle riders are also a different sort of asshole.
stdbrouw 2y ago
> Planes shouldn't fly over densely populated areas. Usually the planes were there first, though. Airports were built far away from population centers, but then the surrounding towns or cities expanded. See https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-is-it-so-hard-to-build-an-airport https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-is-it-so-hard-to-...
- arp242 2y ago
  That's not really how I read in that article. It's the introduction of the jet engine that caused the bulk of the problems. It does mention O’Hare in Chicago as an example of an airport built far from the city only to have the city eventually expand around it, but that was in the 40s, 50s, and 60s and wasn't a big problem until jet engines came along. It also mentions that airports have become much much larger (both in terms if surface area and traffic) – it's not just cities that have expanded. There is a big difference between "an airplane once a day" and "an airplane every five minutes", whether it's during daytime or early mornings/evenings/nights. My hometown is also an example of an airport built far form the city (in the 30s) only to have the city expand around it, but traffic has expanded massively since the early 00s (after the city expansions happened) with RyanAir traffic. Before that it was mostly a military airport with some limited regional passenger traffic. As an additional point, the most noise isn't necessarily near the airport but sometimes dozens of kilometres from the airport. Sometimes this is because the airport changed flying routes due to noise complaints and/or expansions.
- elric 2y ago
  Maybe that's true where you live. My town is just under 2000 years old. I get that it makes sense from a logistics point to keep airports close to people. But's incredibly disruptive to all the people who are impacted by frequent loud bursts of noise during landing & takeoff.
  - kragen 2y ago
    Imrryr, the Dreaming City? I thought it was older than that.
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by elric 2y ago

Ntrails 2y ago

Every night I can hear ubers reversing up the road with their obnoxiously loud lorry-style reversing warning beep. If I'm not already asleep, it keeps me up (and for some reason it takes them forever to park or whatever they're doing). Obviously it's marginally more safe than not having a beep! So, you know, ancillary impacts be damned...

arp242 2y ago
It's also a solved problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rwJ5NCf1Vw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rwJ5NCf1Vw Tesco delivery trucks have them here in Ireland; it's pretty good stuff. Still quite loud/noticeable when you're up close, while at the same time not being completely obnoxious to everyone in a kilometre radius. Looking at their website it mentions several patents, so perhaps that's one reason it's not more widely used.
- amenhotep 2y ago
  Good lord, I've gone a long time without knowing what that was all about. First time I heard it I assumed the lorry had a broken reversing beep speaker or something!
elric 2y ago
Car alarms are similar. Maybe (but doubtfully) they'll prevent your car from being stolen/trashed/emptied. But at the cost of waking up an entire neighbourhood every time a bird shits on it a little too forcefully (or whatever it is that randomly sets off car alarms in the middle of the night). That's not a tradeoff that works for me. Your house is on fire? Fine, wake up the whole neighbourhood. You're in physical danger? Sure, emergency services can be as noisy as they need to be. Some of your stuff is in danger of being stolen? Meh, I don't want to get out of bed for that.

froh 2y ago

We have obnoxiously loud little people around and sometimes no matter what I say they forget or outright refuse simply stopping being obnoxiously loud. noise cancelling headphones are a godsend, making the noise level bearable so we react reasonably and kindly despite obnoxiously loud little people.

ryandrake 2y ago
Yea, if we could solve the "Obnoxious People" problem, it would solve a huge number of other problems. It's wild how much unpleasantness in the world boils down to a few anti-social, obnoxious, belligerent jerks ruining it for everyone.
- Lanolderen 2y ago
  From the "obnoxious person" perspective a few anti-social karens and kents should get with the times and stop ruining things for everyone. /s It's all subjective. To me the idea of living in a city and hearing your pulse sounds like living in the rubber room of an asylum. Going to great lengths to do so is weird to me. I do however find the sound of engines and cars/planes pleasant so I'm probably lucky.
  - wholinator2 2y ago
    Yeah regular cars aren't a problem, but the kind of cars that are made to be intentionally loud, driven by people who take pleasure in driving them intentionally loudly is. Also blaaaasting some fucking song from your motorcycle at max volume just sitting at a stoplight outside my house is insane. Police sirens are also loud but the loud is a biproduct of the helping people so i can understand it. But holy shit I'm moving somewhere far away from intersections as soon as my lease is up.
    - tristor 2y ago
      Loud cars aren't /inherently/ the issue, it's that most of the people who want their car to be loud also have no concept of sound quality for their exhaust tone. Your typical 4-banger ecobox driven by a 19 year old stoner with an Aliexpress exhaust is not what people mean when they say that they like the sound of cars. I like the sounds of cars, and cars can absolutely have their sound tuned to be pleasant. Famously, Lexus for the LFA had Yamaha (yes the piano people) tune the sound of the engine and exhaust, which sounds absolutely lovely. Even far more mundane vehicles (not supercars) can sound quite nice. For instance, while I generally don't think positively about Ford, this last generation of Mustang GT had a wonderful exhaust note from the factory with the cutouts open, it was throaty and loud without being full of drone. Nobody wants to hear an Aliexpress exhaust or the kid with the beater BMW leaking oil that they put a popcorn tune on. Motorcycles are a different story, but motorcycle riders are also a different sort of asshole.

stdbrouw 2y ago

> Planes shouldn't fly over densely populated areas. Usually the planes were there first, though. Airports were built far away from population centers, but then the surrounding towns or cities expanded. See https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-is-it-so-hard-to-build-an-airport https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-is-it-so-hard-to-...

arp242 2y ago
That's not really how I read in that article. It's the introduction of the jet engine that caused the bulk of the problems. It does mention O’Hare in Chicago as an example of an airport built far from the city only to have the city eventually expand around it, but that was in the 40s, 50s, and 60s and wasn't a big problem until jet engines came along. It also mentions that airports have become much much larger (both in terms if surface area and traffic) – it's not just cities that have expanded. There is a big difference between "an airplane once a day" and "an airplane every five minutes", whether it's during daytime or early mornings/evenings/nights. My hometown is also an example of an airport built far form the city (in the 30s) only to have the city expand around it, but traffic has expanded massively since the early 00s (after the city expansions happened) with RyanAir traffic. Before that it was mostly a military airport with some limited regional passenger traffic. As an additional point, the most noise isn't necessarily near the airport but sometimes dozens of kilometres from the airport. Sometimes this is because the airport changed flying routes due to noise complaints and/or expansions.
elric 2y ago
Maybe that's true where you live. My town is just under 2000 years old. I get that it makes sense from a logistics point to keep airports close to people. But's incredibly disruptive to all the people who are impacted by frequent loud bursts of noise during landing & takeoff.
- kragen 2y ago
  Imrryr, the Dreaming City? I thought it was older than that.
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