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Yet, another I've bought a tablet but should have bought a laptop to replace my old laptop "article". It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know.

Yet, another I've bought a tablet but should have bought a laptop to replace my old laptop "article". It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know... but pretending that we don't know it despite talking about it for 10 or more years is disingenuous and fails the debate at hand.

fsflover 2y ago
> It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know What is not ready? A tablet today can surely run a full OS without restrictions [0]. Apple doesn't want it, and it's worth talking about it. [0] https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  That’s not really the discussion. We know that iPadOS is shit. On windows and Linux there are form factors that fit the users use case perfectly but they don’t want these products. Instead of adapting to those system they decide to rant about apple not doing what they want… yet we only see these posts from apple users that talk like there is no alternative.
  - Closi 2y ago
    Windows OS is bad for a tablet compared to iPadOS. iPadOS is bad as a laptop compared to Windows. Nobody yet has been able to fully square the two different paradigms.
    - mixmastamyk 2y ago
      I recommend the starlite if you don’t depend primarily on battery power. Personally won’t be going back to Apple’s golden handcuffs, and would never consider the user-hostile MS.
      - Closi 2y ago
        Operating on battery power is usually a pretty crucial requirement for a tablet.
        mixmastamyk 2y ago
        It works for five hours or so on battery. But I mostly watch movies on it while plugged in.
    - futuraperdita 2y ago
      ChromeOS balances the different paradigms reasonably well with Crostini and the ability to run Linux-based applications with native hardware virtualization. Solves for every power-user case you can't get from Android or the browser.
      - fsflover 2y ago
        It doesn't balance the privacy reasonably well.
      - Closi 2y ago
        As soon as I'm running virtualization to get an app to run the OS has already lost IMO.
- vinceguidry 2y ago
  I have one, and switched to a Framework in a Cooler Master case, I carry around a portable screen to connect it to. Reason is power. Even if you get enough RAM, the CPU will peg at the slightest provocation.
- dangus 2y ago
  Yeah but is the Librem 11 any good? I already made that mistake with Linux phones. They were unusable crap. Immediately I can tell you that $1000 for a tablet with an Intel N5100 (Celeron) is not a good buy at all. The processor you get in the iPad Pro is 7x faster at multi-core operations and 4x faster in single thread (PassMark). You can play recent AAA games like Resident Evil 2 (Remake) on an iPad Pro. It looks very similar to a home console in terms of level of detail in graphics. The 3DMark Wild Life Unlimited benchmark is a difference in performance score of 12x You're also getting a tandem OLED display that's essentially the best display on the market. These are not even in the same class of device. I have to seriously question what the Librem 11 is actually good at? What is the target audience going to do with it? Being able to become root and fuck around in the terminal on a potato device isn't a use case. I can just go do that on a laptop or desktop which will be a much better device for doing those kinds of tasks. If things that tablets are good at and intended for like drawing, viewing content, and any tablet workflows (e.g. digital audio produciton or film editing) or games involving high performance are all literally 10x better/more performant on an iPad, what is the Librem tablet supposed to be good at that isn't going to be a better experience in something like a Framework or even just a Dell/Lenovo laptop with Linux installed? People don't buy devices to read the source code.
  - fsflover 2y ago
    It all depends on your use case. I'm using Librem 5 as a daily driver.
    - dangus 2y ago
      Isn't that kind of a cop out answer? I'm sure it's a great daily driver for someone who wants to do almost nothing on their phone. I mean we are talking about a $800 phone with no 5G modem. That's already a dealbreaker just from a carrier spectrum allocation aspect alone. This is a phone that will not get as good of a connection to do basic things like make calls and exchange texts/images/vidoes compared to any other device on the market.
      - fsflover 2y ago

fsflover 2y ago

> It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know What is not ready? A tablet today can surely run a full OS without restrictions [0]. Apple doesn't want it, and it's worth talking about it. [0] https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/

BoredPositron 2y ago
That’s not really the discussion. We know that iPadOS is shit. On windows and Linux there are form factors that fit the users use case perfectly but they don’t want these products. Instead of adapting to those system they decide to rant about apple not doing what they want… yet we only see these posts from apple users that talk like there is no alternative.
- Closi 2y ago
  Windows OS is bad for a tablet compared to iPadOS. iPadOS is bad as a laptop compared to Windows. Nobody yet has been able to fully square the two different paradigms.
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    I recommend the starlite if you don’t depend primarily on battery power. Personally won’t be going back to Apple’s golden handcuffs, and would never consider the user-hostile MS.
    - Closi 2y ago
      Operating on battery power is usually a pretty crucial requirement for a tablet.
      - mixmastamyk 2y ago
        It works for five hours or so on battery. But I mostly watch movies on it while plugged in.
  - futuraperdita 2y ago
    ChromeOS balances the different paradigms reasonably well with Crostini and the ability to run Linux-based applications with native hardware virtualization. Solves for every power-user case you can't get from Android or the browser.
    - fsflover 2y ago
      It doesn't balance the privacy reasonably well.
    - Closi 2y ago
      As soon as I'm running virtualization to get an app to run the OS has already lost IMO.
vinceguidry 2y ago
I have one, and switched to a Framework in a Cooler Master case, I carry around a portable screen to connect it to. Reason is power. Even if you get enough RAM, the CPU will peg at the slightest provocation.
dangus 2y ago
Yeah but is the Librem 11 any good? I already made that mistake with Linux phones. They were unusable crap. Immediately I can tell you that $1000 for a tablet with an Intel N5100 (Celeron) is not a good buy at all. The processor you get in the iPad Pro is 7x faster at multi-core operations and 4x faster in single thread (PassMark). You can play recent AAA games like Resident Evil 2 (Remake) on an iPad Pro. It looks very similar to a home console in terms of level of detail in graphics. The 3DMark Wild Life Unlimited benchmark is a difference in performance score of 12x You're also getting a tandem OLED display that's essentially the best display on the market. These are not even in the same class of device. I have to seriously question what the Librem 11 is actually good at? What is the target audience going to do with it? Being able to become root and fuck around in the terminal on a potato device isn't a use case. I can just go do that on a laptop or desktop which will be a much better device for doing those kinds of tasks. If things that tablets are good at and intended for like drawing, viewing content, and any tablet workflows (e.g. digital audio produciton or film editing) or games involving high performance are all literally 10x better/more performant on an iPad, what is the Librem tablet supposed to be good at that isn't going to be a better experience in something like a Framework or even just a Dell/Lenovo laptop with Linux installed? People don't buy devices to read the source code.
- fsflover 2y ago
  It all depends on your use case. I'm using Librem 5 as a daily driver.
  - dangus 2y ago
    Isn't that kind of a cop out answer? I'm sure it's a great daily driver for someone who wants to do almost nothing on their phone. I mean we are talking about a $800 phone with no 5G modem. That's already a dealbreaker just from a carrier spectrum allocation aspect alone. This is a phone that will not get as good of a connection to do basic things like make calls and exchange texts/images/vidoes compared to any other device on the market.
    - fsflover 2y ago