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Have a second thought before following all these suggestions. > Ask the candidate to do things that AI filters cannot handle – yet, such as: > * A face turnin
by neilv 2y ago
Have a second thought before following all these suggestions.
> Ask the candidate to do things that AI filters cannot handle – yet, such as:
> * A face turning side to side
With all AI ethical practices being set by unscrupulous people right now, and a gold rush of everyone else ... is an "employer" asking me to do this actually just trying to get a model to impersonate me?
Or it it an actual company, but they want training data for their AI snake oil?
Or is it a legitimate company who are being honest, but the video service they're using is going to abuse that video data (whether or not the ToU permits that, because legal isn't stopping anyone in this gold rush)?
> * standing up and walking backward from the camera, showing more body detail
> In the circumstances, It should be justifiable to run through some or all of these tests, as well as asking for all filters to be turned off.
If we stop and ask ourselves, "What would an HR expert say?"...
Well, the poor professional decorum, and setting a suspicious tone and imbalanced dynamic, the HR person might not complain about, but...
What I think think they might complain about first is us setting up the company for discrimination lawsuits and public outrage:
* What if your request comes off as sexually objectifying and/or discriminating on their basis of their physique? (Basically, "Now how about you walk back and give us a little twirl, cupcake?" or "Bro, do you even lift?")
* What if the person has mobility problems that aren't relevant to the software job?
* What if the person is trans and using filters to help them pass, due to well-known discrimination and abuse?
* What if the person routinely uses filters for a scar or a skin condition they're self-conscious about, and maybe has trauma around that? Or because they have a really unflattering camera on their personal laptop? Are they going to feel humiliated or harassed?
I'm wondering whether some of the suggestions for countermeasures might be considered OK because the scenarios they'd just talked about are of candidates in countries that can be paid a lot less for the same work. And therefore maybe thinking of them as the other or lesser, and not due the same respect we'd hopefully extend to people in our own country or another affluent country?
- calcifer 2y agoIn most Western countries, an act that is discriminatory at face value isn't a crime if there is a good reason for it. Here in the UK, for example, it's called "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim". Avoiding demonstrable fraud would be a legitimate aim and I can't see any court or tribunal disagreeing with it.
- elicksaur 2y agoYes, if you add problematic facts to a situation, the situation becomes discriminatory. Nothing in the article suggests calling a candidate cupcake, etc. The subjects of the article are super understanding - allowing people to continue in an interview process despite seeming to not know the native language. What is the motivation for making up wacky hypos to discredit the relatively trivial suggestions in the newsletter?
- sceptic123 2y agoI'd say it's fair enough given the hint of racism/xenophobia in the article itself
- neilv 2y agoI'm suggesting that's what would come to HR's mind, as a way that could come across, and risk lawsuits and/or social media outrage. (Obviously someone isn't going to literally say "cupcake" in 2025. That doesn't mean that's not how it will come across. And it also doesn't mean that your employees won't mess up, and do your HR-vetted reasonable process in a totally wrong way.)