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Sure, but not sure how that's related to whether or not the Mozilla Foundation can fund development off $37.5M per year. Marketing and evangelism isn't free, b

by kelnos 2y ago

Sure, but not sure how that's related to whether or not the Mozilla Foundation can fund development off $37.5M per year. Marketing and evangelism isn't free, but I find it hard to believe $37.5M per year wouldn't cover everything they need to do. At an average of $200k per employee, that's 187 people. As you point out, it's their strategy that's the problem. I'm not convinced they need more money to come up with and implement a better strategy. (Yes, I know they pay for more than just employee salaries. Presumably they have other income apart from that $37.5M that doesn't come from Google.)

flomo 2y ago
"Marketing and evangelism" => the arrow has been going down for like ten years now. Better strategy?? Not in the OP. They are actually begging the government for pity. Not just now, but Mozilla's own argument here is they can't sustain themselves in the long-term without an illegal trust agreement.
pseudalopex 2y ago
> Marketing and evangelism isn't free, but I find it hard to believe $37.5M per year wouldn't cover everything they need to do. At an average of $200k per employee, that's 187 people. PitchBook estimated Brave had 191 employees before they cut 27 last year. Mozilla don't have a search engine. But Brave don't have a browser engine. And they couldn't commit to keep uBlock Origin working.
- xnx 2y ago
  Mozilla doesn't have the burden of trying to be profitable that Brave does. Not sure Brave has a search engine any more than it does a browser engine. Brave search is powered by Bing.
  - notpushkin 2y ago
    They claim they do serve 92% from their own indexes, though I’m not sure we can verify that: https://dkb.blog/p/brave-search-interview https://dkb.blog/p/brave-search-interview
    - xnx 2y ago
      Interesting number. I wouldn't be surprised if ranking comes from Bing and they serve snippets of the Bing ranked results from their "independent" index.

by kelnos 2y ago

flomo 2y ago

"Marketing and evangelism" => the arrow has been going down for like ten years now. Better strategy?? Not in the OP. They are actually begging the government for pity. Not just now, but Mozilla's own argument here is they can't sustain themselves in the long-term without an illegal trust agreement.

pseudalopex 2y ago

> Marketing and evangelism isn't free, but I find it hard to believe $37.5M per year wouldn't cover everything they need to do. At an average of $200k per employee, that's 187 people. PitchBook estimated Brave had 191 employees before they cut 27 last year. Mozilla don't have a search engine. But Brave don't have a browser engine. And they couldn't commit to keep uBlock Origin working.

xnx 2y ago
Mozilla doesn't have the burden of trying to be profitable that Brave does. Not sure Brave has a search engine any more than it does a browser engine. Brave search is powered by Bing.
- notpushkin 2y ago
  They claim they do serve 92% from their own indexes, though I’m not sure we can verify that: https://dkb.blog/p/brave-search-interview https://dkb.blog/p/brave-search-interview
  - xnx 2y ago
    Interesting number. I wouldn't be surprised if ranking comes from Bing and they serve snippets of the Bing ranked results from their "independent" index.