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> The British Retail Consortium has said shoplifting is "out of control" after its annual crime survey found incidents of customer theft reported by retailers i

> The British Retail Consortium has said shoplifting is "out of control" after its annual crime survey found incidents of customer theft reported by retailers in the UK rose by 3.7 million to 20.4 million, and cost retailers £2bn. Surely a moment's reflection on the state of the UK at the moment would offer some ideas about why this is.

nprateem 2y ago
Yeah maybe Starmer should issue a decree to make everything magically cheap again.
ein0p 2y ago
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- benjaminwootton 2y ago
  Why do people (usually Americans) have this perception that we are an authoritarian hellscape on press freedom. There have been a few silly stories where local police forces overreach to a social media post, but generally nobody could care less what we say. The police won’t respond to serious crimes so you have no chance getting them to respond to something written. There are hundreds of better things to pick on the UK for.
  - milesrout 2y ago
    Oh it is alright to destroy fundamental traditions that the English invented and fought for literally for millennia. That is fine. It only happens now and again! There are numerous examples of the police in the UK arresting and prosecuting people for making simple statements of fact or giving their honest and reasonable opinions. It is not actually that rare. It would if anything be better if it were more rigorously enforced, because it wouldn't last very long if it were. Instead, the threat of it looms over everyone.
  - ein0p 2y ago
    Or 3000+ "silly stories" per year, to be exact. And that's just arrests.
- tene80i 2y ago
  What are you talking about?! Do you mean “ideas” like publicly inciting violence? Because that’s illegal in the USA too.
  - milesrout 2y ago
    Don't be disingenuous. You know very well what the parent is talking about. Random example: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/no-charges-in-koran-burning-case-that-should-never-have-been-brought/ https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/no-charges-in-koran-burn... Also loads and loads of others. The Police in the UK are completely out of control.
    - tene80i 2y ago
      Your example is the burning of a religious text, which is provocative enough to be scooped up, even if incorrectly, by hate speech laws. It's absurd to suggest proposing ideas about supermarket self-checkouts is anything like that, and it's also absurd to suggest the UK is the only country where people are wrongfully arrested – unless you're suggesting the USA has a healthier police system? And if you want to throw evidence into a debate, you might want to choose a publication with a bit more standing than whatever random partisan blog this is.

nprateem 2y ago

Yeah maybe Starmer should issue a decree to make everything magically cheap again.

ein0p 2y ago

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benjaminwootton 2y ago
Why do people (usually Americans) have this perception that we are an authoritarian hellscape on press freedom. There have been a few silly stories where local police forces overreach to a social media post, but generally nobody could care less what we say. The police won’t respond to serious crimes so you have no chance getting them to respond to something written. There are hundreds of better things to pick on the UK for.
- milesrout 2y ago
  Oh it is alright to destroy fundamental traditions that the English invented and fought for literally for millennia. That is fine. It only happens now and again! There are numerous examples of the police in the UK arresting and prosecuting people for making simple statements of fact or giving their honest and reasonable opinions. It is not actually that rare. It would if anything be better if it were more rigorously enforced, because it wouldn't last very long if it were. Instead, the threat of it looms over everyone.
- ein0p 2y ago
  Or 3000+ "silly stories" per year, to be exact. And that's just arrests.
tene80i 2y ago
What are you talking about?! Do you mean “ideas” like publicly inciting violence? Because that’s illegal in the USA too.
- milesrout 2y ago
  Don't be disingenuous. You know very well what the parent is talking about. Random example: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/no-charges-in-koran-burning-case-that-should-never-have-been-brought/ https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/no-charges-in-koran-burn... Also loads and loads of others. The Police in the UK are completely out of control.
  - tene80i 2y ago
    Your example is the burning of a religious text, which is provocative enough to be scooped up, even if incorrectly, by hate speech laws. It's absurd to suggest proposing ideas about supermarket self-checkouts is anything like that, and it's also absurd to suggest the UK is the only country where people are wrongfully arrested – unless you're suggesting the USA has a healthier police system? And if you want to throw evidence into a debate, you might want to choose a publication with a bit more standing than whatever random partisan blog this is.