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So, a hackier version of Tesla's autopilot? Sounds, uh, terrifying.

dailykoder 2y ago
Not as terrifying as humans
dagenix 2y ago
I especially like how there is next to no mention about safety on the main page. But at least its only $999 and it has AI and 50k GitHub stars, so, thats nice.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  They have a basic safety page in the docs [0], which unfortunately has a dead link to their vehicle safety definitions due to a recent PR [1], along with some other safety-related deadlinks in the panda README. Avoiding having to deal with safety is a pretty integral part of their whole process though. They run some basic static analysis/sanitizers/unit tests, and everything past that is out of scope. If you're not okay with that level of verification for your steering control, it's probably not the product for you. [0] https://docs.comma.ai/concepts/safety/ https://docs.comma.ai/concepts/safety/ [1] https://github.com/commaai/panda/pull/2143 https://github.com/commaai/panda/pull/2143
- garbagewoman 2y ago
  What’s with the snark?
moscoe 2y ago
If by terrifying you mean totally awesome, I agree!
norswap 2y ago
I think it did much better on safety in some tests (no I don't have sources, going from memory :/), but is less capable by design on some more trickier scenarios. Basically pretty much what you would something like this to be.
- dagenix 2y ago
  It doesn't seem like https://comma.ai/ https://comma.ai/ has sources either.
  - granolatron 2y ago
    From the comma.ai website: https://data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/consumer-reports-active-driving-assistance-systems-november-16-2020.pdf https://data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/...
Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
Meh...AP and Comma are driver aids. They're only supposed to reduce the mental load of driving on the highway, not be complete autonomous driving systems. They're nothing more than traffic aware cruise control with automatic lane keeping. They're not designed to be used on surface streets, and certainly not intended to allow you to read a book or something while driving.
Tepix 2y ago
They don't call it "full self driving", that's a good start

Not as terrifying as humans

I especially like how there is next to no mention about safety on the main page. But at least its only $999 and it has AI and 50k GitHub stars, so, thats nice.

AlotOfReading 2y ago
They have a basic safety page in the docs [0], which unfortunately has a dead link to their vehicle safety definitions due to a recent PR [1], along with some other safety-related deadlinks in the panda README. Avoiding having to deal with safety is a pretty integral part of their whole process though. They run some basic static analysis/sanitizers/unit tests, and everything past that is out of scope. If you're not okay with that level of verification for your steering control, it's probably not the product for you. [0] https://docs.comma.ai/concepts/safety/ https://docs.comma.ai/concepts/safety/ [1] https://github.com/commaai/panda/pull/2143 https://github.com/commaai/panda/pull/2143
garbagewoman 2y ago
What’s with the snark?

moscoe 2y ago

If by terrifying you mean totally awesome, I agree!

norswap 2y ago

I think it did much better on safety in some tests (no I don't have sources, going from memory :/), but is less capable by design on some more trickier scenarios. Basically pretty much what you would something like this to be.

dagenix 2y ago
It doesn't seem like https://comma.ai/ https://comma.ai/ has sources either.
- granolatron 2y ago
  From the comma.ai website: https://data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/consumer-reports-active-driving-assistance-systems-november-16-2020.pdf https://data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/...

Sohcahtoa82 2y ago

Meh...AP and Comma are driver aids. They're only supposed to reduce the mental load of driving on the highway, not be complete autonomous driving systems. They're nothing more than traffic aware cruise control with automatic lane keeping. They're not designed to be used on surface streets, and certainly not intended to allow you to read a book or something while driving.

Tepix 2y ago

They don't call it "full self driving", that's a good start