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At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet s

At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet supply.

regularization 2y ago
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- Hikikomori 2y ago
  The US has certainly wasted much of their wealth since the end of ww2 trying to keep their imperialism 2.0 going.
  - pfdietz 2y ago
    Isn't this what Trump is trying to rectify now?
    - xethos 2y ago
      Trump is discussing annexation of my country. Maybe you're thinking of Imperialism 1.0?
      - pfdietz 2y ago
        I was thinking of talk of pulling out of NATO.
        Hikikomori 2y ago
        What I talked about was not NATO actions though.
- linkregister 2y ago
  > This occurred to me. April 2001, US Navy plane crashes into Chinese J8 jet, kills pilot, lands on Hainan Island without authorization An interesting interpretation of events. Let's continue. "Then the air crew donates their airframe & technology to the Chinese Communist Party. And when they return they come up with a lie that they had been buzzed several times by the J8 pilot until the crash. Also they faked distress calls recording it. All to prove that the United States is a paper tiger intent on disrupting the Chinese people's rightful claim to all East Asian territory."
  - dluan 2y ago
    Maybe you don't remember that only 2 years earlier the US CIA "mistakenly" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, killing three Chinese government workers and nearly sparking war, with Bill Clinton personally calling to apologize.
    - linkregister 2y ago
      It really is interesting to see this point of view. Are apologies admissions of guilt in your family/hometown? Do you think it was in the United States' interest to destroy the embassy of a non-belligerent in that war?
- UltraSane 2y ago
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  - HFguy 2y ago
    The account was created 3 months ago. Might be actual person. But also might be troll or bot. I do know real people that hold views like this, but they also apply similar lens to other large countries with global footprint. So at least a consistent approach.
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      I agree. With how much time we collectively spend online, money spent on online propaganda would be extremely high value for money for belligerent governments.
- jcranmer 2y ago
  > Yemen, which is doing a humanitarian intervention to help the Gazans. Firing rockets indiscriminately at ships is not even in the same planet as humanitarian intervention.
  - eli_gottlieb 2y ago
    Also, the Houthis are a paramilitary party, not the Yemeni state.
jimbob45 2y ago
How does Valve put out one of the worst releases of all time in Artifact and not get dragged through the coals ever for it? The only working strategy Valve has succeeded in running in the last 10 years is making passive income from Steam and that won't last forever.
- HFguy 2y ago
  Think this was posted in the wrong thread?
  - wcarss 2y ago
    > the gaben strategy this was a reference to Gabe Newell and Valve
nicoburns 2y ago
If the goal was "be better than the US" then sure. But presumably their strategy is aimed at actually improving their country as it is for it's own people to live in. Much of which has nothing to do with the US.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Why would you presume that? CCP has become far more autocratic, and the goals of autocracy: 1) maintain the autocracy 2) have a strong police to preserve the autocracy from rebellion 3) have a good enough economy to defend the autocracy from external threats ... ten more "for the autocracy" points ... improving the country for the people Also, Zeihan overselling or not, China is facing an unprecedented demographic decline. So to the parent comment about "not doing anything and winning", honestly the US can do the same and watch China implode demographically.
  - decimalenough 2y ago
    CCP under Xi has reverted to form after some temporary loosening up, but it's still way less autocratic than it was during the Mao era. Also, the CCP ultimately derives its legitimacy from materially improving the country for the Chinese people: back in the day fighting back against the Japanese and corrupt warlords, now economic progress. Both the Chinese people and the CCP know well what it means if they stop delivering and the "Mandate of Heaven" expires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven China's demographic decline will take decades and unless the CCP really fucks things up (eg. invading Taiwan and failing miserably at it), it's going to be a Japan/Korea-style slow-motion stagnation, not a dramatic implosion.
    - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
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      - immibis 2y ago
        Interesting tangent to bring up. How many people does America kill?
downrightmike 2y ago
Sadly, they really need to start consuming 100x what they are currently to even have a shot
- t-3 2y ago
  That would make American businesses very happy, but what would be so good for China? There's a reason they made the decision to artificially suppress domestic consumption in favor of building a strong manufacturing base and export-focused economy, and it seems to be working well for them.
- echelon 2y ago
  It looks like China is quickly becoming a domestic consumer economy. Look at BYD sales and Ne Zha 2. Their gaming industry and entertainment industries are starting to pull ahead of the US.
- consteval 2y ago
  Hyper-consumerism took off in the US because it’s a false economic indicator. It makes lines go up, but doesn’t materially improve anyone’s lives. We’re seeing the effects of ~70 years of hyper-consumerist behavior. It worked for a while, but now the costs have accumulated. There’s shit everywhere, and everything either breaks or is poison. Or both.
DrFalkyn 2y ago
Chinas demographics are a ticking time bomb They’ve also massively overinvested in sectors like real estate But maybe if Drumpf screws up the US enough, they will be able to weather these problems Or perhaps AI will get so good it won’t matter
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  China is automating [1], they know the demographics dividend is ending. More industrial robots are built and sold in China than anywhere else in the world. They are going high tech [2], and will outcompete the US in high tech (based on all available info). They have the will, the US does not (too busy chasing short term gains and ideological wins), based on all available evidence [3]. [1] https://itif.org/publications/2024/03/11/how-innovative-is-china-in-the-robotics-industry/ https://itif.org/publications/2024/03/11/how-innovative-is-c... [2] https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker > Our research reveals that China has built the foundations to position itself as the world’s leading science and technology superpower, by establishing a sometimes stunning lead in high-impact research across the majority of critical and emerging technology domains. > China’s global lead extends to 37 out of 44 technologies that ASPI is now tracking, covering a range of crucial technology fields spanning defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas. The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker. We also see China’s efforts being bolstered through talent and knowledge import: one-fifth of its high-impact papers are being authored by researchers with postgraduate training in a Five-Eyes country. China’s lead is the product of deliberate design and long-term policy planning, as repeatedly outlined by Xi Jinping and his predecessors. [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43338771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43338771
- ChromaticPanic 2y ago
  In contrast to North America which has under invested in real estate, having all that extra real estate sounds like a dream.

At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet supply.

regularization 2y ago

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Hikikomori 2y ago
The US has certainly wasted much of their wealth since the end of ww2 trying to keep their imperialism 2.0 going.
- pfdietz 2y ago
  Isn't this what Trump is trying to rectify now?
  - xethos 2y ago
    Trump is discussing annexation of my country. Maybe you're thinking of Imperialism 1.0?
    - pfdietz 2y ago
      I was thinking of talk of pulling out of NATO.
      - Hikikomori 2y ago
        What I talked about was not NATO actions though.
linkregister 2y ago
> This occurred to me. April 2001, US Navy plane crashes into Chinese J8 jet, kills pilot, lands on Hainan Island without authorization An interesting interpretation of events. Let's continue. "Then the air crew donates their airframe & technology to the Chinese Communist Party. And when they return they come up with a lie that they had been buzzed several times by the J8 pilot until the crash. Also they faked distress calls recording it. All to prove that the United States is a paper tiger intent on disrupting the Chinese people's rightful claim to all East Asian territory."
- dluan 2y ago
  Maybe you don't remember that only 2 years earlier the US CIA "mistakenly" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, killing three Chinese government workers and nearly sparking war, with Bill Clinton personally calling to apologize.
  - linkregister 2y ago
    It really is interesting to see this point of view. Are apologies admissions of guilt in your family/hometown? Do you think it was in the United States' interest to destroy the embassy of a non-belligerent in that war?
UltraSane 2y ago
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- HFguy 2y ago
  The account was created 3 months ago. Might be actual person. But also might be troll or bot. I do know real people that hold views like this, but they also apply similar lens to other large countries with global footprint. So at least a consistent approach.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    I agree. With how much time we collectively spend online, money spent on online propaganda would be extremely high value for money for belligerent governments.
jcranmer 2y ago
> Yemen, which is doing a humanitarian intervention to help the Gazans. Firing rockets indiscriminately at ships is not even in the same planet as humanitarian intervention.
- eli_gottlieb 2y ago
  Also, the Houthis are a paramilitary party, not the Yemeni state.

jimbob45 2y ago

How does Valve put out one of the worst releases of all time in Artifact and not get dragged through the coals ever for it? The only working strategy Valve has succeeded in running in the last 10 years is making passive income from Steam and that won't last forever.

HFguy 2y ago
Think this was posted in the wrong thread?
- wcarss 2y ago
  > the gaben strategy this was a reference to Gabe Newell and Valve

nicoburns 2y ago

If the goal was "be better than the US" then sure. But presumably their strategy is aimed at actually improving their country as it is for it's own people to live in. Much of which has nothing to do with the US.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
Why would you presume that? CCP has become far more autocratic, and the goals of autocracy: 1) maintain the autocracy 2) have a strong police to preserve the autocracy from rebellion 3) have a good enough economy to defend the autocracy from external threats ... ten more "for the autocracy" points ... improving the country for the people Also, Zeihan overselling or not, China is facing an unprecedented demographic decline. So to the parent comment about "not doing anything and winning", honestly the US can do the same and watch China implode demographically.
- decimalenough 2y ago
  CCP under Xi has reverted to form after some temporary loosening up, but it's still way less autocratic than it was during the Mao era. Also, the CCP ultimately derives its legitimacy from materially improving the country for the Chinese people: back in the day fighting back against the Japanese and corrupt warlords, now economic progress. Both the Chinese people and the CCP know well what it means if they stop delivering and the "Mandate of Heaven" expires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven China's demographic decline will take decades and unless the CCP really fucks things up (eg. invading Taiwan and failing miserably at it), it's going to be a Japan/Korea-style slow-motion stagnation, not a dramatic implosion.
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - immibis 2y ago
      Interesting tangent to bring up. How many people does America kill?

downrightmike 2y ago

Sadly, they really need to start consuming 100x what they are currently to even have a shot

t-3 2y ago
That would make American businesses very happy, but what would be so good for China? There's a reason they made the decision to artificially suppress domestic consumption in favor of building a strong manufacturing base and export-focused economy, and it seems to be working well for them.
echelon 2y ago
It looks like China is quickly becoming a domestic consumer economy. Look at BYD sales and Ne Zha 2. Their gaming industry and entertainment industries are starting to pull ahead of the US.
consteval 2y ago
Hyper-consumerism took off in the US because it’s a false economic indicator. It makes lines go up, but doesn’t materially improve anyone’s lives. We’re seeing the effects of ~70 years of hyper-consumerist behavior. It worked for a while, but now the costs have accumulated. There’s shit everywhere, and everything either breaks or is poison. Or both.

DrFalkyn 2y ago

Chinas demographics are a ticking time bomb They’ve also massively overinvested in sectors like real estate But maybe if Drumpf screws up the US enough, they will be able to weather these problems Or perhaps AI will get so good it won’t matter

toomuchtodo 2y ago
China is automating [1], they know the demographics dividend is ending. More industrial robots are built and sold in China than anywhere else in the world. They are going high tech [2], and will outcompete the US in high tech (based on all available info). They have the will, the US does not (too busy chasing short term gains and ideological wins), based on all available evidence [3]. [1] https://itif.org/publications/2024/03/11/how-innovative-is-china-in-the-robotics-industry/ https://itif.org/publications/2024/03/11/how-innovative-is-c... [2] https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker > Our research reveals that China has built the foundations to position itself as the world’s leading science and technology superpower, by establishing a sometimes stunning lead in high-impact research across the majority of critical and emerging technology domains. > China’s global lead extends to 37 out of 44 technologies that ASPI is now tracking, covering a range of crucial technology fields spanning defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas. The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker. We also see China’s efforts being bolstered through talent and knowledge import: one-fifth of its high-impact papers are being authored by researchers with postgraduate training in a Five-Eyes country. China’s lead is the product of deliberate design and long-term policy planning, as repeatedly outlined by Xi Jinping and his predecessors. [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43338771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43338771
ChromaticPanic 2y ago
In contrast to North America which has under invested in real estate, having all that extra real estate sounds like a dream.