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America is nowhere close to going to war with Canada. Tariffs are import taxes, not weapons of war. Good lord.

mercutio2 2y ago
Telling a sovereign nation, and the US’s closest ally, it should become the 51st US state isn’t making war, but it’s way more than imposing tariffs in contravention of treaties this president signed in his last term.
- chrisco255 2y ago
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  - Brybry 2y ago
    Dairy quotas are part of USMCA.[1] The issue under Biden was protectionist/preferential policies which were challenged and got changed through the dispute mechanism[2]. The changed policy was then disputed again but the US lost the dispute[3]. The US has never gotten close to surpassing the tariff-rate quotas so the tariffs haven't applied.[4] Though the American dairy industry claims that's because of further protectionist policies.[5] I'm not an expert on this so if you have more specific information please share sources. [1] https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/agreements/FTA/USMCA/Text/02%20National%20Treatment%20and%20Market%20Access.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/agreements/FTA/US... [2] https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2022/january/what-they-are-saying-united-states-prevails-usmca-dispute-canadian-dairy-restrictions https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-... [3] https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2023/november/usmca-panel-releases-canada-dairy-report-biden-harris-administration-will-continue-seeking-full https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-... [4] https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-doesn-t-120052228.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-doesn-t-12005222... [5] https://www.idfa.org/news/idfa-statement-on-potential-u-s-tariff-on-canadian-dairy-products https://www.idfa.org/news/idfa-statement-on-potential-u-s-ta...
  - badc0ffee 2y ago
    Canada isn't bound to the monarchy or to the UK. The king is just a figurehead, and the king's representative (the Governor General) is a powerless rubber stamp. Now, to be clear, the (conceptual) figurehead is taken seriously. When the queen died, a great renaming happened, changing each province's court of queen's bench to the court of king's bench, Queen's Counsel are now called King's Counsel, and of course new currency is being minted with images of the king. But, none of that means the actual King Charles the person has any power at all.
  - mercutio2 2y ago
    What definition of treaty are you using that the USMCA is not a treaty? The difference is negligible in international use, but in the US it means “agreement that was ratified by the Senate”. Are you claiming the USMCA was not, in fact, ratified by the Senate? Disputing under the terms of a treaty is quite different than unilaterally breaking a treaty.
    - chrisco255 2y ago
      In the U.S. a treaty requires a 2/3 Senate confirmation. The USMCA is an executive trade agreement.
- t-3 2y ago
  It's just a joke. A bad joke, but just a joke. Republicans are afraid to add Puerto Rico as a state for fear of it voting Democrat, they would never allow Canada to become a state even if you wanted to (or rather, 10 states), because they would never win an election again.
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
What's all this annexation talk then? That sounds pretty disrespectfully inflammatory.
- chrisco255 2y ago
  It's not annexation to invite a country to join the Union. It's quite the honor, to be honest.
  - BLKNSLVR 2y ago
    Upvote for my literal laugh out loud.
  - canadymouse 2y ago
    If it is such an honor, why has the response of 90% of Canadians been "Go fuck yourself"? Up here, we consider it a betrayal, certainly nothing honorable.
watwut 2y ago
America repeatedly threatened annexation and wanted water. It demands registration of goverment citizens. They call premier governor. Tariffs seem ti be preparatory steps meant to weaken Canada as a preparation for further attacks. In general, conservatives are nowhere near to do the awful thing they say loudly they will do - and then, each time, they do that exact thing. Again again and again. These are plans and ignoring them is a self delution.
willhslade 2y ago
Warren Buffet said it's a declaration of war.

Telling a sovereign nation, and the US’s closest ally, it should become the 51st US state isn’t making war, but it’s way more than imposing tariffs in contravention of treaties this president signed in his last term.

chrisco255 2y ago
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- Brybry 2y ago
  Dairy quotas are part of USMCA.[1] The issue under Biden was protectionist/preferential policies which were challenged and got changed through the dispute mechanism[2]. The changed policy was then disputed again but the US lost the dispute[3]. The US has never gotten close to surpassing the tariff-rate quotas so the tariffs haven't applied.[4] Though the American dairy industry claims that's because of further protectionist policies.[5] I'm not an expert on this so if you have more specific information please share sources. [1] https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/agreements/FTA/USMCA/Text/02%20National%20Treatment%20and%20Market%20Access.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/agreements/FTA/US... [2] https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2022/january/what-they-are-saying-united-states-prevails-usmca-dispute-canadian-dairy-restrictions https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-... [3] https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2023/november/usmca-panel-releases-canada-dairy-report-biden-harris-administration-will-continue-seeking-full https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-... [4] https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-doesn-t-120052228.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-doesn-t-12005222... [5] https://www.idfa.org/news/idfa-statement-on-potential-u-s-tariff-on-canadian-dairy-products https://www.idfa.org/news/idfa-statement-on-potential-u-s-ta...
- badc0ffee 2y ago
  Canada isn't bound to the monarchy or to the UK. The king is just a figurehead, and the king's representative (the Governor General) is a powerless rubber stamp. Now, to be clear, the (conceptual) figurehead is taken seriously. When the queen died, a great renaming happened, changing each province's court of queen's bench to the court of king's bench, Queen's Counsel are now called King's Counsel, and of course new currency is being minted with images of the king. But, none of that means the actual King Charles the person has any power at all.
- mercutio2 2y ago
  What definition of treaty are you using that the USMCA is not a treaty? The difference is negligible in international use, but in the US it means “agreement that was ratified by the Senate”. Are you claiming the USMCA was not, in fact, ratified by the Senate? Disputing under the terms of a treaty is quite different than unilaterally breaking a treaty.
  - chrisco255 2y ago
    In the U.S. a treaty requires a 2/3 Senate confirmation. The USMCA is an executive trade agreement.
t-3 2y ago
It's just a joke. A bad joke, but just a joke. Republicans are afraid to add Puerto Rico as a state for fear of it voting Democrat, they would never allow Canada to become a state even if you wanted to (or rather, 10 states), because they would never win an election again.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago

What's all this annexation talk then? That sounds pretty disrespectfully inflammatory.

chrisco255 2y ago
It's not annexation to invite a country to join the Union. It's quite the honor, to be honest.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  Upvote for my literal laugh out loud.
- canadymouse 2y ago
  If it is such an honor, why has the response of 90% of Canadians been "Go fuck yourself"? Up here, we consider it a betrayal, certainly nothing honorable.

watwut 2y ago

America repeatedly threatened annexation and wanted water. It demands registration of goverment citizens. They call premier governor. Tariffs seem ti be preparatory steps meant to weaken Canada as a preparation for further attacks. In general, conservatives are nowhere near to do the awful thing they say loudly they will do - and then, each time, they do that exact thing. Again again and again. These are plans and ignoring them is a self delution.

willhslade 2y ago

Warren Buffet said it's a declaration of war.