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> As such, this current executive order effectively does nothing. That's not true. For example, there was a story the other day of a librarian who was instruc

> As such, this current executive order effectively does nothing. That's not true. For example, there was a story the other day of a librarian who was instructed to throw away all passport application forms in Spanish, as they would no longer be accepted. If you go to the official Spanish page, you can see that the links to the forms are either broken or now redirected to their English version: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/es/pasaportes/requisitos-para-tramitar-el-pasaporte/formularios.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/es/pasaportes/requis... That's just one example of many.

n3storm 2y ago
Thanks. Feels funny seeing people say this government is doing nothing or nonsense and has no ulterior motives or implications. Funny in the sense of: are they blind? are they naive? or are they supporters? Hundred of technocrats and modern nobility cannot be wrong.
- dmayle 2y ago
  There's an effect to be sure. I am, however, talking about legal status. As one of the other commenters pointed out, the actual text of the executive action is about rolling back a previous executive action designed to prevent Title VI discrimination. So, if I were affected as mentioned in the parent post to this, I would be reaching out to the ACLU to find a lawyer to help with challenging this. As to the stated wording though, "making English the country's official language" (which mirror's wording used in the most recent presidential address), the executive order has no power to do so, because it's not a law.
  - bigbacaloa 2y ago
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- kortilla 2y ago
  >Funny in the sense of: are they blind? are they naive? or are they supporters? You’re not understanding the comment you are laughing at. There was no legal change, there was an operations change in how the federal government does things. It’s still legal to speak whatever language you want and you don’t need to speak English
  - n3storm 2y ago
    I do understand. Everybody knows they are not going to ban spanish or put in jail gay-trans writers. It's all about twisting laws to disserve whatever collective they go after, so their voters (voters believing they are antagonists of the other collective) keep satisfied and vote again. Meanwhile they give contracts and move money and services towards their friends, the ones that financed their campaign so they can bring the message about the evil collective to the voters. One of the oldest tricks in the world.
OJFord 2y ago
I assume GP meant as a legal instrument, rather than it's sociological effect. (Otherwise there would be little point to the comment? They mean to prevent the latter by raising awareness of the former.)
wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
i live in japan. i do all my paperwork in japanese. yes it is hard. no i dont think they need to offer it in english. i learn new kanji every time.
- tchalla 2y ago
  There are many countries around the world which conduct paperwork in more than one language.
- jedberg 2y ago
  Japan is famously anti-immigrant though. Almost everyone in Japan is of Japanese ancestry. The USA was built on immigration. It's called "the great melting pot" for a reason.
  - schnable 2y ago
    A common language is a key component of the "melting" part.
    - 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
      But you need to take actions to build that sense of identity and make everyone feel welcome. You also want your citizens to feel like they can share their traditions and participate in others traditions. So at some point, you’re going to have to make accomodations for everyone, at least in the most popular languages because if you want new talent, you might be dealing with a family that has to bring their aging parents along if they want to migrate, or someone’s spouse.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    They did used to make immigrants change their names when they arrived, though -- if they were too unlike "regular" English names.
    - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
      my great grandpa changed his name when they came to new york because it sounded too italian. I have his modified name as my middle name. Its a cool story to me that everybody in my family knows. Even amongst the older people of the family it didnt seem like a big deal.

n3storm 2y ago

Thanks. Feels funny seeing people say this government is doing nothing or nonsense and has no ulterior motives or implications. Funny in the sense of: are they blind? are they naive? or are they supporters? Hundred of technocrats and modern nobility cannot be wrong.

dmayle 2y ago
There's an effect to be sure. I am, however, talking about legal status. As one of the other commenters pointed out, the actual text of the executive action is about rolling back a previous executive action designed to prevent Title VI discrimination. So, if I were affected as mentioned in the parent post to this, I would be reaching out to the ACLU to find a lawyer to help with challenging this. As to the stated wording though, "making English the country's official language" (which mirror's wording used in the most recent presidential address), the executive order has no power to do so, because it's not a law.
- bigbacaloa 2y ago
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kortilla 2y ago
>Funny in the sense of: are they blind? are they naive? or are they supporters? You’re not understanding the comment you are laughing at. There was no legal change, there was an operations change in how the federal government does things. It’s still legal to speak whatever language you want and you don’t need to speak English
- n3storm 2y ago
  I do understand. Everybody knows they are not going to ban spanish or put in jail gay-trans writers. It's all about twisting laws to disserve whatever collective they go after, so their voters (voters believing they are antagonists of the other collective) keep satisfied and vote again. Meanwhile they give contracts and move money and services towards their friends, the ones that financed their campaign so they can bring the message about the evil collective to the voters. One of the oldest tricks in the world.

OJFord 2y ago

I assume GP meant as a legal instrument, rather than it's sociological effect. (Otherwise there would be little point to the comment? They mean to prevent the latter by raising awareness of the former.)

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago

i live in japan. i do all my paperwork in japanese. yes it is hard. no i dont think they need to offer it in english. i learn new kanji every time.

tchalla 2y ago
There are many countries around the world which conduct paperwork in more than one language.
jedberg 2y ago
Japan is famously anti-immigrant though. Almost everyone in Japan is of Japanese ancestry. The USA was built on immigration. It's called "the great melting pot" for a reason.
- schnable 2y ago
  A common language is a key component of the "melting" part.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
    But you need to take actions to build that sense of identity and make everyone feel welcome. You also want your citizens to feel like they can share their traditions and participate in others traditions. So at some point, you’re going to have to make accomodations for everyone, at least in the most popular languages because if you want new talent, you might be dealing with a family that has to bring their aging parents along if they want to migrate, or someone’s spouse.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  They did used to make immigrants change their names when they arrived, though -- if they were too unlike "regular" English names.
  - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
    my great grandpa changed his name when they came to new york because it sounded too italian. I have his modified name as my middle name. Its a cool story to me that everybody in my family knows. Even amongst the older people of the family it didnt seem like a big deal.