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https://youtube.com/shorts/izildGlrEVg https://youtube.com/shorts/izildGlrEVg I believe most of these people are not being killed when they beg like this. None

https://youtube.com/shorts/izildGlrEVg https://youtube.com/shorts/izildGlrEVg I believe most of these people are not being killed when they beg like this. Nonetheless, the rules of war should try to preserve dignity in death. It needs to be codified at least, even if it’s violated, and perhaps some future generation will litigate the sin. The brutality of this war probably hasn’t all gotten out.

ceejayoz 2y ago
That person looks to be surrendering; killing a prisoner of war is already a war crime. Drones don't change this.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  You can't surrender to a jet on a bombing run, and a jet has the range to chase you to the oppositions lines. You can't surrender to a UAV that doesn't have the battery to follow you back to the opposition's lines.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    People have surrendered to both. The same logistical challenge exists if you’re captured by an injured person. Or if one guy has 93 prisoners to manage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Major https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Major
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      Yes there are outliers but it is not the norm nor is it able to be made the norm in war and you know that. Door gunners on helicopters didn't accept surrender as choppers flew over territory. This is no different.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > This is no different. This is precisely my point. We are not gonna get a new Geneva Convention banning drones.
daemoens 2y ago
The reality is that both sides still kill someone begging like that. Both sides are using over at least a 1,000+ drones a day and yet only 1-2 videos of this nature come out every month.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  far more than one or two; easily 5+ a day just in reddit r/combatfootage, and there are many similar subreddits, many pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian. The AFU suggested that they see maybe a 40-60% kill rate -- "kill" as in hit and damage; casualty rate -- from drones. so you're only seeing the 40% that actually do anything, and of those, the ones that can be released, both for OPSEC, as well as simple logistics like having enough bandwidth to upload or time to edit.

ceejayoz 2y ago

That person looks to be surrendering; killing a prisoner of war is already a war crime. Drones don't change this.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
You can't surrender to a jet on a bombing run, and a jet has the range to chase you to the oppositions lines. You can't surrender to a UAV that doesn't have the battery to follow you back to the opposition's lines.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  People have surrendered to both. The same logistical challenge exists if you’re captured by an injured person. Or if one guy has 93 prisoners to manage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Major https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Major
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Yes there are outliers but it is not the norm nor is it able to be made the norm in war and you know that. Door gunners on helicopters didn't accept surrender as choppers flew over territory. This is no different.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > This is no different. This is precisely my point. We are not gonna get a new Geneva Convention banning drones.

daemoens 2y ago

The reality is that both sides still kill someone begging like that. Both sides are using over at least a 1,000+ drones a day and yet only 1-2 videos of this nature come out every month.

red-iron-pine 2y ago
far more than one or two; easily 5+ a day just in reddit r/combatfootage, and there are many similar subreddits, many pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian. The AFU suggested that they see maybe a 40-60% kill rate -- "kill" as in hit and damage; casualty rate -- from drones. so you're only seeing the 40% that actually do anything, and of those, the ones that can be released, both for OPSEC, as well as simple logistics like having enough bandwidth to upload or time to edit.