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One thing to note is that crimes committed on any of this property are usually hit with an "aggravating factor", because of it being a school, and can double th

One thing to note is that crimes committed on any of this property are usually hit with an "aggravating factor", because of it being a school, and can double the sentencing for a crime. I seem to remember a homeless fellow who used a key to extract some change from a vending machine that was surprisingly on UoC property and got a 12-year sentence. Also, not to be confused with the confusingly similar University of Illinois Chicago.

thaumasiotes 2y ago
> I seem to remember a homeless fellow who used a key to extract some change from a vending machine that was surprisingly on UoC property and got a 12-year sentence. Well, there are two problems there: - Being in a school is not an aggravating factor (in reality; I'm not making any claim about the law) for that crime; - Stealing change from a vending machine shouldn't involve a 6-year sentence. But neither of those really undermines the general concept of crimes on the property "usually" including an aggravating factor for the location.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  It became a test case of whether there is a limit to punishments for crimes. Is a life sentence for littering constitutionally legal if there is a valid statute that says it is? The courts eventually up-ended the person's sentence somewhat and reduced it to the minimum available, 6 years. I don't know whether the person had already served over that time before his sentence was adjusted, but I would hazard a guess that he had.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    > It became a test case of whether there is a limit to punishments for crimes. Is a life sentence for littering constitutionally legal if there is a valid statute that says it is? This can't be a correct description; a statute can't influence whether something is or isn't constitutional. They're different levels. I tend to suspect that you're intentionally omitting whatever the case was actually about.
    - qingcharles 2y ago
      It definitely can. The sentence was decided as disproportionate to the crime. Illinois has a "proportional penalties" clause. This is found in the Illinois Constitution, Article I, Section 11, which states: "All penalties shall be proportioned to the offense."
Cornbilly 2y ago
Even more confusingly, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign now has a Chicago location as well.

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> I seem to remember a homeless fellow who used a key to extract some change from a vending machine that was surprisingly on UoC property and got a 12-year sentence. Well, there are two problems there: - Being in a school is not an aggravating factor (in reality; I'm not making any claim about the law) for that crime; - Stealing change from a vending machine shouldn't involve a 6-year sentence. But neither of those really undermines the general concept of crimes on the property "usually" including an aggravating factor for the location.

qingcharles 2y ago
It became a test case of whether there is a limit to punishments for crimes. Is a life sentence for littering constitutionally legal if there is a valid statute that says it is? The courts eventually up-ended the person's sentence somewhat and reduced it to the minimum available, 6 years. I don't know whether the person had already served over that time before his sentence was adjusted, but I would hazard a guess that he had.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  > It became a test case of whether there is a limit to punishments for crimes. Is a life sentence for littering constitutionally legal if there is a valid statute that says it is? This can't be a correct description; a statute can't influence whether something is or isn't constitutional. They're different levels. I tend to suspect that you're intentionally omitting whatever the case was actually about.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    It definitely can. The sentence was decided as disproportionate to the crime. Illinois has a "proportional penalties" clause. This is found in the Illinois Constitution, Article I, Section 11, which states: "All penalties shall be proportioned to the offense."

Cornbilly 2y ago

Even more confusingly, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign now has a Chicago location as well.