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I'll say it again, even though it is rather unpopular here: there has never been a need to develop these tools, nor one to make them easy to deploy, nor one to

by tgv 2y ago

I'll say it again, even though it is rather unpopular here: there has never been a need to develop these tools, nor one to make them easy to deploy, nor one to make them easy to use. Yet all this has happened, and now it may occur that someone is acquitted because AI generated media is so good, the evidence might be artificial. If that happens, and the suspect commits another crime, it's on the conscience of the people that contributed to this. You cannot create something and pretend its use has nothing to do with you. The tools aren't perfect yet, so it's not too late to stop. Stop the ridiculous image and audio generation tools before it's too late. Nothing of value is lost when these models are made private again, and research is simply halted.

cootsnuck 2y ago
It actually is too late for that. For anyone unaware, the open source models are already more than sufficient enough for imitations and deepfakes. For better or worse there's no going back. Personally, I'd rather we all know this tech is out there and develop defense mechanisms rather than thinking hiding it away will prevent harm. The cyber security industry exists because of all the privacy and security issues posed by all the tech we already have had for the past several decades. I'm confident the same will happen for AI simply because it is a business opportunity and other businesses and institutions are already talking about these issues.
bdangubic 2y ago
You cannot create something and pretend its use has nothing to do with you. has always worked with guns so it'll always work with anything else :) and guns will kill more people that AI-generated shit for foreseeable future
- almogo 2y ago
  There is an argument that "AI-generated shit" (on social media, or otherwise) can influence elections, and thus war. The best example I can think of is https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68918330 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68918330.
- consteval 2y ago
  Text, images, and things of that class - human communication tools - are much higher level than guns. Human communication tools are responsible for, say, the holocaust. At its core, you can distill the holocaust to that. Or choose any tragedy, really. I think what we’re dealing with is much worse than we are giving it credit. I’m envisioning the death of trust as a concept itself. Such has never before been faced by humanity, and I don’t know if even our biological social circuits can handle it. We’re already half way there. It’s trivial to convince large amount of people of something that isn’t true, and then get them to act on that belief. It just requires some time and some money. Remove the time and the money requirement and I don’t know where we land.
qwertox 2y ago
I do want a computer which talks to me like a person, with that agility. I am used to listening to voice. I am tired of reading so much stuff which could well be spoken to me. Like this comment here, which you now need to read. It's only very recently that living beings on this world have learned to read and write, it's not normal. It's normal to communicate through sound.
- krainboltgreene 2y ago
  What an incredible line to end on. “It’s not normal to read/write”.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - qwertox 2y ago
    I'm not aware of any other species which is capable of reading and writing. But many can certainly hear and make sounds.
    - MichaelDickens 2y ago
      I'm not aware of any other species with a >10,000 word vocabulary, either.
    - krainboltgreene 2y ago
      What a truly fascinating perspective. I wonder if you yearn to build complex tunnel systems underground at the behest of a queen? I’m of course describing the most common habit on the planet.
    - consteval 2y ago
      Yes, return to monkey. And, somehow, this will make life… better?
- gowld 2y ago
  You don't need writing, if you want to live in a cave or wander a prairie, I guess?
educasean 2y ago
Fatalities due to automobile accidents are a major drag. We should've stuck with horses
a2128 2y ago
There is some use to bringing deepfakes to mass adoption. The thing is that since the tech exists, powerful actors with lots of resources will develop these tools for their own use either way. The question is whether they'll be able to fool the masses who are unaware that such realistic deepfakes can exist, or whether they will have no effect as everyone and their mom have already seen similar AI slop on their Facebook feed
Ukv 2y ago
> Nothing of value is lost when these models are made private again To list a few uses I see for voice-generation/cloning tools: * Real-time translation of a user's voice, maintaining emotion and intonation * Professional-quality audio from cheap microphone setups (for video tutorials, indie games, etc.) * Allowing those with speech impairments to communicate using their natural voice again, or: * Allowing those uncomfortable with their natural voice to communicate closer to how they wish to be perceived * Customization of voice assistants, such as to use a native accent/dialect * Movies, podcasts, audiobooks, news broadcasts, etc. made available in a huge range of languages * And of course: memes, satire, and parody If it exists but isn't widely accessible, it's likely in the hands of Musk/Zuck and and various state actors. To me that seems possibly the worst alternative - to have the public generally unaware that it's possible and receiving few of the benefits listed, yet still having it available as a tool for competent disinformation.
pixl97 2y ago
>The tools aren't perfect yet, so it's not too late to stop This is some serious level of cope for HN. Simply put, it's not going to happen.

by tgv 2y ago

cootsnuck 2y ago

It actually is too late for that. For anyone unaware, the open source models are already more than sufficient enough for imitations and deepfakes. For better or worse there's no going back. Personally, I'd rather we all know this tech is out there and develop defense mechanisms rather than thinking hiding it away will prevent harm. The cyber security industry exists because of all the privacy and security issues posed by all the tech we already have had for the past several decades. I'm confident the same will happen for AI simply because it is a business opportunity and other businesses and institutions are already talking about these issues.

bdangubic 2y ago

You cannot create something and pretend its use has nothing to do with you. has always worked with guns so it'll always work with anything else :) and guns will kill more people that AI-generated shit for foreseeable future

almogo 2y ago
There is an argument that "AI-generated shit" (on social media, or otherwise) can influence elections, and thus war. The best example I can think of is https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68918330 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68918330.
consteval 2y ago
Text, images, and things of that class - human communication tools - are much higher level than guns. Human communication tools are responsible for, say, the holocaust. At its core, you can distill the holocaust to that. Or choose any tragedy, really. I think what we’re dealing with is much worse than we are giving it credit. I’m envisioning the death of trust as a concept itself. Such has never before been faced by humanity, and I don’t know if even our biological social circuits can handle it. We’re already half way there. It’s trivial to convince large amount of people of something that isn’t true, and then get them to act on that belief. It just requires some time and some money. Remove the time and the money requirement and I don’t know where we land.

qwertox 2y ago

I do want a computer which talks to me like a person, with that agility. I am used to listening to voice. I am tired of reading so much stuff which could well be spoken to me. Like this comment here, which you now need to read. It's only very recently that living beings on this world have learned to read and write, it's not normal. It's normal to communicate through sound.

krainboltgreene 2y ago
What an incredible line to end on. “It’s not normal to read/write”.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- qwertox 2y ago
  I'm not aware of any other species which is capable of reading and writing. But many can certainly hear and make sounds.
  - MichaelDickens 2y ago
    I'm not aware of any other species with a >10,000 word vocabulary, either.
  - krainboltgreene 2y ago
    What a truly fascinating perspective. I wonder if you yearn to build complex tunnel systems underground at the behest of a queen? I’m of course describing the most common habit on the planet.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Yes, return to monkey. And, somehow, this will make life… better?
gowld 2y ago
You don't need writing, if you want to live in a cave or wander a prairie, I guess?

educasean 2y ago

Fatalities due to automobile accidents are a major drag. We should've stuck with horses

a2128 2y ago

There is some use to bringing deepfakes to mass adoption. The thing is that since the tech exists, powerful actors with lots of resources will develop these tools for their own use either way. The question is whether they'll be able to fool the masses who are unaware that such realistic deepfakes can exist, or whether they will have no effect as everyone and their mom have already seen similar AI slop on their Facebook feed

Ukv 2y ago

> Nothing of value is lost when these models are made private again To list a few uses I see for voice-generation/cloning tools: * Real-time translation of a user's voice, maintaining emotion and intonation * Professional-quality audio from cheap microphone setups (for video tutorials, indie games, etc.) * Allowing those with speech impairments to communicate using their natural voice again, or: * Allowing those uncomfortable with their natural voice to communicate closer to how they wish to be perceived * Customization of voice assistants, such as to use a native accent/dialect * Movies, podcasts, audiobooks, news broadcasts, etc. made available in a huge range of languages * And of course: memes, satire, and parody If it exists but isn't widely accessible, it's likely in the hands of Musk/Zuck and and various state actors. To me that seems possibly the worst alternative - to have the public generally unaware that it's possible and receiving few of the benefits listed, yet still having it available as a tool for competent disinformation.

pixl97 2y ago

>The tools aren't perfect yet, so it's not too late to stop This is some serious level of cope for HN. Simply put, it's not going to happen.