True. There are a lot of articles like this that waffle on for ages when it seems kind of obvious that both are true. I even bought Hersh's book that waffles on

True. There are a lot of articles like this that waffle on for ages when it seems kind of obvious that both are true. I even bought Hersh's book that waffles on for ~400 pages trying to argue for invented by studiously avoiding the obvious truth that pi would have the same value in alien civilisations and so isn't just a human invention. Instead he tries to politicize it amazingly enough. Apparently invented is lefty, discovered is right wing and right wing bad so it's not discovered. Ridiculous argument really.