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I think thats a stretch. You think pro-DEI types are less likely to bully or harass? Cause Ive personally seen the exact opposite (people accusing people of rac

I think thats a stretch. You think pro-DEI types are less likely to bully or harass? Cause Ive personally seen the exact opposite (people accusing people of racism as a means of retribution, or to advance their status, people in charge of DEI programs bullying or politicising their role, etc)

educasean 2y ago
I don't know if people who will readily accuse others of racism as a tool of retribution can be considered genuinely serious about their DEI endorsement. Now with the winds changing directions under Trump administration 2.0, the same people are probably already denouncing their past and jumping onto the "DEI is bad" bandwagon.
- DontchaKnowit 2y ago
  no true scotsmen, eh
  - educasean 2y ago
    It's a flimsy argument for sure. But we live in a reality where Meta, Google and other past bastion of progressive movements have taken a 180 turn upon Trump's first week of reign. Is it that much of a stretch to assume that a large swath of DEI champions around us were just parroting performative mantras? Maybe hypocrites are pretty obvious to spot for you. It's not as easy for me. I was shocked to find many of my peers turn their noses at DEI policies and act as if they've always been against it. Bandwagoners are going to bandwagon. I personally don't see much use in labelling them as anything else.
    - lelanthran 2y ago
      > I was shocked to find many of my peers turn their noses at DEI policies and act as if they've always been against it. Why were you shocked? Are you new to the workforce? Did you never live through a time when criticising a company policy[1] was a serious CareerLimitingMove(tm)? Throw in the fact that people were both routinely and publicly punished for not jumping on the DEI bandwagon, and you have a large number of people who would rather keep their head down and get their work done in the most agreeable manner rather than tell you what they think. People aren't going to work to have their opinions validated, they're going to work to get money. They aren't going to jeopardise that money by going against the company vision (whatever that may be). [1] DEI or otherwise. Don't worry though, when the pendulum swings back these people would then present as supportive of DEI.

educasean 2y ago

I don't know if people who will readily accuse others of racism as a tool of retribution can be considered genuinely serious about their DEI endorsement. Now with the winds changing directions under Trump administration 2.0, the same people are probably already denouncing their past and jumping onto the "DEI is bad" bandwagon.

DontchaKnowit 2y ago
no true scotsmen, eh
- educasean 2y ago
  It's a flimsy argument for sure. But we live in a reality where Meta, Google and other past bastion of progressive movements have taken a 180 turn upon Trump's first week of reign. Is it that much of a stretch to assume that a large swath of DEI champions around us were just parroting performative mantras? Maybe hypocrites are pretty obvious to spot for you. It's not as easy for me. I was shocked to find many of my peers turn their noses at DEI policies and act as if they've always been against it. Bandwagoners are going to bandwagon. I personally don't see much use in labelling them as anything else.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > I was shocked to find many of my peers turn their noses at DEI policies and act as if they've always been against it. Why were you shocked? Are you new to the workforce? Did you never live through a time when criticising a company policy[1] was a serious CareerLimitingMove(tm)? Throw in the fact that people were both routinely and publicly punished for not jumping on the DEI bandwagon, and you have a large number of people who would rather keep their head down and get their work done in the most agreeable manner rather than tell you what they think. People aren't going to work to have their opinions validated, they're going to work to get money. They aren't going to jeopardise that money by going against the company vision (whatever that may be). [1] DEI or otherwise. Don't worry though, when the pendulum swings back these people would then present as supportive of DEI.