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Funnily enough I hope for an exact opposite: the Apple hardware is IMHO the best and the most irreplaceable part of the whole Apple experience and I’d be a very

by baq 2y ago

Funnily enough I hope for an exact opposite: the Apple hardware is IMHO the best and the most irreplaceable part of the whole Apple experience and I’d be a very happy man if there was a simple way of running not-macOS on e.g. the M3 MacBook Pro with full driver support.

opengears 2y ago
Luckily we have Asahi Linux. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/
- baq 2y ago
  …with barely supported M1 and LKML drama. I would love for it to be an option, but it just isn’t.
  - opengears 2y ago
    To be fair - the reverse engineering has to be done for every of the M series, and the M1 is the best supported Apple SoC so far. I guess we should support the project if we want them to succeed (they live from donations).
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      We could also regulate that large hardware companies have to publicly document their systems. Otherwise the public pays with more ewaste.
      - protimewaster 2y ago
        This is too sensible of an idea to ever happen, though. Nearly every time a discussion comes up about this, the companies essentially argue that their right to fill the world with ewaste trumps all.
      - opengears 2y ago
        This is a very good idea! But how would we enforce and check this (see recent issues to enforce right to repair)? What would be the KPIs - repairability score? Apple for example is arguing against this by saying that when they repair things themselves it is more sustainable than making documentation available to external repair stores (Louis Rossmann has been talking about this for ages)
  - throawayonthe 2y ago
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mikae1 2y ago
Not saying it isn't good, it is. I still use Silicon Macs at work. Just depends on your priorities and what you value I guess. I'm not on board with the iOSification of macOS either. IMO, it's has gotten progressively worse with every version since Snow Leopard. Atomic Fedora distros and KDE Plasma has made me look forward to upgrades again (and yeah, they happen automatically in the background). With macOS I just stuck around as long as I could knowing that there'd be no upsides to getting the next macOS release.
- hot_gril 2y ago
  I haven't noticed much, but they did ruin iTunes and Sysprefs.
cosmic_cheese 2y ago
There’s really nothing comparable when it comes to real world battery life in the x86 world. Things there have improved with Lunar Lake and the last couple of gens of AMD mobile SoCs, but there’s still a pretty chunky delta. Most x86 laptops still require active cooling too, and unfortunately reducing fan noise or at least improving the profile of said noise is rarely a priority.

by baq 2y ago

opengears 2y ago

Luckily we have Asahi Linux. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/

baq 2y ago
…with barely supported M1 and LKML drama. I would love for it to be an option, but it just isn’t.
- opengears 2y ago
  To be fair - the reverse engineering has to be done for every of the M series, and the M1 is the best supported Apple SoC so far. I guess we should support the project if we want them to succeed (they live from donations).
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    We could also regulate that large hardware companies have to publicly document their systems. Otherwise the public pays with more ewaste.
    - protimewaster 2y ago
      This is too sensible of an idea to ever happen, though. Nearly every time a discussion comes up about this, the companies essentially argue that their right to fill the world with ewaste trumps all.
    - opengears 2y ago
      This is a very good idea! But how would we enforce and check this (see recent issues to enforce right to repair)? What would be the KPIs - repairability score? Apple for example is arguing against this by saying that when they repair things themselves it is more sustainable than making documentation available to external repair stores (Louis Rossmann has been talking about this for ages)
- throawayonthe 2y ago
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mikae1 2y ago

Not saying it isn't good, it is. I still use Silicon Macs at work. Just depends on your priorities and what you value I guess. I'm not on board with the iOSification of macOS either. IMO, it's has gotten progressively worse with every version since Snow Leopard. Atomic Fedora distros and KDE Plasma has made me look forward to upgrades again (and yeah, they happen automatically in the background). With macOS I just stuck around as long as I could knowing that there'd be no upsides to getting the next macOS release.

hot_gril 2y ago
I haven't noticed much, but they did ruin iTunes and Sysprefs.

cosmic_cheese 2y ago

There’s really nothing comparable when it comes to real world battery life in the x86 world. Things there have improved with Lunar Lake and the last couple of gens of AMD mobile SoCs, but there’s still a pretty chunky delta. Most x86 laptops still require active cooling too, and unfortunately reducing fan noise or at least improving the profile of said noise is rarely a priority.