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More regulation, of course. It's worked so well for guns, after all. Because making more laws prevents people who disregard laws from breaking other laws. Real

More regulation, of course. It's worked so well for guns, after all. Because making more laws prevents people who disregard laws from breaking other laws. Really, we should just cut to the chase and outlaw murder.

awesome_dude 2y ago
It has worked for guns - the countries where guns are a problem either have very lax regulation, or very lax enforcement (because of a breakdown of government)
- coffeecantcode 2y ago
  Well, there are also countries like Switzerland where there is a substantially higher amount of gun ownership compared to that of the rest of Europe but very few of the same issues of other countries with similar ownership per capita. Though, that’s probably due to the required service training and the screenings that come along with it. And it being a relatively small country.
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  - azernik 2y ago
    So... not lax regulation
    - coffeecantcode 2y ago
      Lax is relative.
  - fc417fc802 2y ago
    There are areas of similarly low crime in the US, depending on how you go about drawing lines on your map. Probably it is a mistake to treat any country as a single unit in such an analysis.
    - coffeecantcode 2y ago
      Fair
- fc417fc802 2y ago
  I think there are several serious issues with such a claim. However I'll limit myself to pointing out that at absolute minimum you'd need to define "problem" and "working". For example, I'd observe that organized crime pretty much everywhere in the world possesses weapons. The extent to which they resort to them varies of course, but it seems unreasonable to blindly dismiss that as being due entirely to regulation.
  - awesome_dude 2y ago
    You're right defining problem and working is tricky Here is a very coarse overview of what I would term "problem". It's the list of countries by firearm related homicide rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... Sorting the second table (Homicide rates by firearm per 100,000 inhabitants. Latest available year.) by rate is rather eye-opening. The USA is four times as high as Canada - and almost forty times as high as Australia Jamaica * 44.706 2022 Saint Lucia * 30.580 2022 Honduras * 28.721 2021 Bahamas 28.538 2022 Saint Kitts and Nevis * 25.207 2021 Ecuador * 22.565 2022 Belize * 22.454 2022 Trinidad and Tobago * 20.551 2020 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 20.128 2021 Puerto Rico * 18.382 2016 Colombia * 18.127 2022 Mexico * 17.497 2022 Brazil * 15.945 2020 Barbados 11.717 2022 Panama * 10.227 2021 Antigua and Barbuda * 8.532 2022 Costa Rica * 8.304 2021 Uruguay 6.807 2022 Dominican Republic * 6.724 2022 Paraguay * 4.803 2021 El Salvador * 4.782 2022 Bermuda 4.674 2021 United States * 4.054 2020 Chile * 3.637 2022 Guatemala * 3.436 2021 Suriname * 3.398 2022 Guyana * 2.983 2021 Peru * 2.937 2020 Argentina * 2.305 2022 Egypt * 2.062 2011 Nicaragua 2.000 2021
CoastalCoder 2y ago
I have mixed feelings about outlawing concealed bulldozers.

awesome_dude 2y ago

It has worked for guns - the countries where guns are a problem either have very lax regulation, or very lax enforcement (because of a breakdown of government)

coffeecantcode 2y ago
Well, there are also countries like Switzerland where there is a substantially higher amount of gun ownership compared to that of the rest of Europe but very few of the same issues of other countries with similar ownership per capita. Though, that’s probably due to the required service training and the screenings that come along with it. And it being a relatively small country.
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- azernik 2y ago
  So... not lax regulation
  - coffeecantcode 2y ago
    Lax is relative.
- fc417fc802 2y ago
  There are areas of similarly low crime in the US, depending on how you go about drawing lines on your map. Probably it is a mistake to treat any country as a single unit in such an analysis.
  - coffeecantcode 2y ago
    Fair
fc417fc802 2y ago
I think there are several serious issues with such a claim. However I'll limit myself to pointing out that at absolute minimum you'd need to define "problem" and "working". For example, I'd observe that organized crime pretty much everywhere in the world possesses weapons. The extent to which they resort to them varies of course, but it seems unreasonable to blindly dismiss that as being due entirely to regulation.
- awesome_dude 2y ago
  You're right defining problem and working is tricky Here is a very coarse overview of what I would term "problem". It's the list of countries by firearm related homicide rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... Sorting the second table (Homicide rates by firearm per 100,000 inhabitants. Latest available year.) by rate is rather eye-opening. The USA is four times as high as Canada - and almost forty times as high as Australia Jamaica * 44.706 2022 Saint Lucia * 30.580 2022 Honduras * 28.721 2021 Bahamas 28.538 2022 Saint Kitts and Nevis * 25.207 2021 Ecuador * 22.565 2022 Belize * 22.454 2022 Trinidad and Tobago * 20.551 2020 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 20.128 2021 Puerto Rico * 18.382 2016 Colombia * 18.127 2022 Mexico * 17.497 2022 Brazil * 15.945 2020 Barbados 11.717 2022 Panama * 10.227 2021 Antigua and Barbuda * 8.532 2022 Costa Rica * 8.304 2021 Uruguay 6.807 2022 Dominican Republic * 6.724 2022 Paraguay * 4.803 2021 El Salvador * 4.782 2022 Bermuda 4.674 2021 United States * 4.054 2020 Chile * 3.637 2022 Guatemala * 3.436 2021 Suriname * 3.398 2022 Guyana * 2.983 2021 Peru * 2.937 2020 Argentina * 2.305 2022 Egypt * 2.062 2011 Nicaragua 2.000 2021

CoastalCoder 2y ago

I have mixed feelings about outlawing concealed bulldozers.