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Elon Musk claims 'massive cyberattack' on X originated from the 'Ukraine area'

27 points by ddxv 2y ago

ddxv 2y ago
Previous post on this flagged and removed from HN
- gnabgib 2y ago
  Posts.. but why do you think that means a repost is in order? (12 points, 3 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327261 (10 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327178 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327178
  - ddxv 2y ago
    I think it's incredibly interesting what's happening and this is an important piece of news. That it is so quickly suppressed by some parties just makes it more so in my view. I think a lot of people on HackerNews think it would be interested, were it not blocked.
  - ddxv 2y ago
    Just curious, why do you think this isn't worthy news for HN?
    - throwawayffffas 2y ago
      It's perfect flamebait. Plus the technical interest is minimal.
      - ddxv 2y ago
        I see, I didn't see it as 'flamebait' at the time but I can how you did. Thanks for explaining.
    - ttyprintk 2y ago
      The source, Fox Business, is the better side of Fox, but still Fox. Maybe Newsweek is more neutral: https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-outage-ukraine-donald-trump-2042652 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-outage-ukraine-...
KingLancelot 2y ago
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aurizon 2y ago
Russia knows just how to muddy the water with a cyber attack that seems to come from Ukraine. Ukraine has no motive to harm Musk, but Russia does.
throwaway5752 2y ago
This is absurd, only a extraordinary moron would believe Ukraine executing this attack to be the case. My comment is accurate. It is absurd to suggest or believe Ukraine is executing a DDOS on X. Ukrainians are desperately trying to fight a bordering superpower and need the assistance of Starlink and the US government where Musk is in the leadership circle. It does not serve the community to pretend otherwise.
- t-3 2y ago
  I very strongly doubt this attack was state-sanctioned if it came from Ukraine... but it could very well be a Ukrainian vigilante. As seen by arson of Tesla dealerships in the EU, many are upset about Musk's involvement with the current US regime and his anti-EU and anti-Ukraine rhetoric. I would not be surprised at all if a lot of Ukrainians hated him to the point of irrationality. It could also very well be a false flag perpetrated by Russia trying to drive a wedge (further) between the US and Ukraine.
  - ddxv 2y ago
    Just curious, I would think that if this came from a group, they would not use servers in their home country. If it's DDOS then maybe it came from a botnet, which would be widely distributed. The part I find the most suspicious is how quickly he came to such a simple answer when it would seem like usually this takes tracking back through multiple server farms? Unless it was a single vigilante, who used his personal computer from Ukraine to do the attack, which seems pretty flimsy.
    - t-3 2y ago
      If it were specifically done to make a political point, having the attack come from Ukraine could be symbolically important. I would expect a harassment DDOS to try to cover their tracks, but someone protesting Musk might purposely not obfuscate their location or purposely attack from Ukraine. Of course, Russians might just want to make Musk even more anti-Ukraine.
- tiahura 2y ago
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LeoPanthera 2y ago
I was wondering how he was going to get out of his "I would never cut off Starlink to Ukraine" claim. He obviously regretted that very quickly. Now he has his excuse.
binarymax 2y ago
Not sure the source of the screengrab but this thread says Anonymous is claiming the attack: https://old.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1j87md8/anonymous_have_hacked_x/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1j87md8/anonymous_...
- ddxv 2y ago
  I've been seeing Puck Arks claiming #DarkStorm responsibility: https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social They seemingly have no specific connection to Ukraine servers, but I'm also not sure how they did the attack. This is the specific post claiming responsibility: https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social/post/3ljzzacc3ck2k https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social/post/3ljzzacc3...
  - ddxv 2y ago
    Edit: after talking to Puck it sounds like he is reporting Anonymous' statements from the #Dark Storm attack, and was not taking responsibility. I misunderstood that I guess.
readyplayernull 2y ago
This guy made more damage to Twitter than a puny DDOS could do. Don't echo unfounded accusations from his bubble.
- ddxv 2y ago
  Mm, I agree, I shared the FoxNews article with his direct quote thinking it would have less 'spin' and prevent this from being banned/flagged in the first few minutes but it was still flagged within 10 minutes.
ipython 2y ago
More technical information about this from Wired: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43333370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43333370 Unsurprisingly, the data available show that this narrative that Musk is promoting is 100% false.

27 points by ddxv 2y ago

ddxv 2y ago

Previous post on this flagged and removed from HN

gnabgib 2y ago
Posts.. but why do you think that means a repost is in order? (12 points, 3 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327261 (10 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327178 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43327178
- ddxv 2y ago
  I think it's incredibly interesting what's happening and this is an important piece of news. That it is so quickly suppressed by some parties just makes it more so in my view. I think a lot of people on HackerNews think it would be interested, were it not blocked.
- ddxv 2y ago
  Just curious, why do you think this isn't worthy news for HN?
  - throwawayffffas 2y ago
    It's perfect flamebait. Plus the technical interest is minimal.
    - ddxv 2y ago
      I see, I didn't see it as 'flamebait' at the time but I can how you did. Thanks for explaining.
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    The source, Fox Business, is the better side of Fox, but still Fox. Maybe Newsweek is more neutral: https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-outage-ukraine-donald-trump-2042652 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-outage-ukraine-...

KingLancelot 2y ago

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aurizon 2y ago

Russia knows just how to muddy the water with a cyber attack that seems to come from Ukraine. Ukraine has no motive to harm Musk, but Russia does.

throwaway5752 2y ago

This is absurd, only a extraordinary moron would believe Ukraine executing this attack to be the case. My comment is accurate. It is absurd to suggest or believe Ukraine is executing a DDOS on X. Ukrainians are desperately trying to fight a bordering superpower and need the assistance of Starlink and the US government where Musk is in the leadership circle. It does not serve the community to pretend otherwise.

t-3 2y ago
I very strongly doubt this attack was state-sanctioned if it came from Ukraine... but it could very well be a Ukrainian vigilante. As seen by arson of Tesla dealerships in the EU, many are upset about Musk's involvement with the current US regime and his anti-EU and anti-Ukraine rhetoric. I would not be surprised at all if a lot of Ukrainians hated him to the point of irrationality. It could also very well be a false flag perpetrated by Russia trying to drive a wedge (further) between the US and Ukraine.
- ddxv 2y ago
  Just curious, I would think that if this came from a group, they would not use servers in their home country. If it's DDOS then maybe it came from a botnet, which would be widely distributed. The part I find the most suspicious is how quickly he came to such a simple answer when it would seem like usually this takes tracking back through multiple server farms? Unless it was a single vigilante, who used his personal computer from Ukraine to do the attack, which seems pretty flimsy.
  - t-3 2y ago
    If it were specifically done to make a political point, having the attack come from Ukraine could be symbolically important. I would expect a harassment DDOS to try to cover their tracks, but someone protesting Musk might purposely not obfuscate their location or purposely attack from Ukraine. Of course, Russians might just want to make Musk even more anti-Ukraine.
tiahura 2y ago

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LeoPanthera 2y ago

I was wondering how he was going to get out of his "I would never cut off Starlink to Ukraine" claim. He obviously regretted that very quickly. Now he has his excuse.

binarymax 2y ago

Not sure the source of the screengrab but this thread says Anonymous is claiming the attack: https://old.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1j87md8/anonymous_have_hacked_x/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1j87md8/anonymous_...

ddxv 2y ago
I've been seeing Puck Arks claiming #DarkStorm responsibility: https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social They seemingly have no specific connection to Ukraine servers, but I'm also not sure how they did the attack. This is the specific post claiming responsibility: https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social/post/3ljzzacc3ck2k https://bsky.app/profile/puckarks.bsky.social/post/3ljzzacc3...
- ddxv 2y ago
  Edit: after talking to Puck it sounds like he is reporting Anonymous' statements from the #Dark Storm attack, and was not taking responsibility. I misunderstood that I guess.

readyplayernull 2y ago

This guy made more damage to Twitter than a puny DDOS could do. Don't echo unfounded accusations from his bubble.

ddxv 2y ago
Mm, I agree, I shared the FoxNews article with his direct quote thinking it would have less 'spin' and prevent this from being banned/flagged in the first few minutes but it was still flagged within 10 minutes.

ipython 2y ago

More technical information about this from Wired: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43333370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43333370 Unsurprisingly, the data available show that this narrative that Musk is promoting is 100% false.