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Wouldn't Rafale just have its own, French kill switch? Especially given the history between the two countries?

• N19PEDL2 2y ago
  It is the US that has suddenly become unreliable.
  • ein0p 2y ago
    In 20th century France and Germany have been at each other's throats twice. That's what I'd call "unreliable". Merely telling Europe that the US can no longer fund its security, or entertain the EUs delusions of military grandeur (which is true - we're broke AF) is nothing in comparison to that. Do not think for a minute that anything is forgotten between the two countries - in Europe nothing is ever forgotten.
    • Tainnor 2y ago
      What nonsense is this? The friendship between Germany and France since the end of WWII is a resounding success story. There is no fundamental distrust between the two countries. > in Europe nothing is ever forgotten. "Not forgetting" and "harbouring a grudge" are two different things. It's precisely because we remember two devastating world wars that we're trying to foster cooperation in Europe.
      • ein0p 2y ago
        Things change. And they will change. If history teaches us anything, it's that there's no such thing as permanent "trust" between countries.
        • fakedang 2y ago
          It's more likely now for a European Federation to happen than another Franco-German war. Euroscepticism is on the backfoot now, thanks to Trump's America.
          • ein0p 2y ago
            It's so much "on the backfoot" that the EU has to illegally ban opposition parties and candidates from elections in member states, and withdraw voting rights from Hungary. As people get poorer, the authoritarianism will accelerate. All I'm saying is, 4 weeks ago the US was the "best friend" of the EU. That has changed. The suggestion that nothing will change between France and Germany in perpetuity contradicts all historical evidence. And the suggestion that the EU is going to be there forever smells of "the USSR will be there forever" thinking from early 1991. History is not finished. It will continue.
            • Tainnor 2y ago
              > that the EU has to illegally ban opposition parties and candidates from elections in member states did you just make this up?
              • ein0p 2y ago
                Germany tried to ban AfD. Romania _canceled an election_ entirely, and then also banned the winning candidate.
                • Tainnor 2y ago
                  You said "the EU". Are you aware of the difference between the EU and national governments? > Germany tried to ban AfD I wish we did, but we didn't.
                  • ein0p 2y ago
                    Are you aware that the EU largely dictates what the national governments do?
                    • dopidopHN 2y ago
                      How ?
        • Tainnor 2y ago
          Anything can always change. I'm talking about the status quo.
• dopidopHN 2y ago
  Oh for sure. It’s just a question of who own the kill switch. In the context of Russia grabbing land in Eastern Europe and the US aligning with Putin… a French or German kill switch sounds better.