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As I recall none of the big polls the mainstream media was pushing projected Trump to win. They even refused to call the election until the wee hours of the mor

As I recall none of the big polls the mainstream media was pushing projected Trump to win. They even refused to call the election until the wee hours of the morning, when the results were pretty clear. Just like in 2016, the polls were intended to deceive people into thinking there was no hope for an alternative candidate.

culi 2y ago
Major decisions desks (AP, Edison, and Fox News; plus a recent newcomer called DDHQ) have made about 3 incorrect calls in their entire history (they were house races, not senate or presidential calls). An incorrect call is a HUGE deal and they have an extremely high bar for certainty. Even for Obama, who's wins were basically a landslide compared to the past 3 elections, calls weren't made until around midnight. Historically it's even common for presidential candidates to concede even before decision desks have made an official call (another norm Trump has challenged). Anyways Decision Desks are a very different topic than pollsters and have no overlap. I don't know what "mainstream media" you were consuming but as a bettor, I definitely didn't get the sense that the race was locked in. All major polls had Biden trailing Trump. Harris got a big boost but that only pushed her to being neck and neck with Trump. We can check the Wayback Machine to verify your claim * NYTimes frontpage the day before the election says "turnout is a focus in a closely divided race" https://web.archive.org/web/20241105011526/https://www.nytimes.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241105011526/https://www.nytim... * Vox frontpage says "5 reasons Harris could win and 4 reasons Trump could" and "Should it really be this hard to beat Trump?" https://web.archive.org/web/20241106000611/https://www.vox.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241106000611/https://www.vox.c... * CNN frontpage does not include any particular characterization of chances https://web.archive.org/web/20241105000156/https://edition.cnn.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241105000156/https://edition.c... A cursory look at other "mainstream" media sources will easily verify that the race was clearly represented as a very close tossup.
- colonCapitalDee 2y ago
  > complains about mainstream media > has no idea what mainstream media says because only source of information is unreliable fringe news sources many such cases
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    I get information from everywhere. Don't project your ignorance of alternatives on me.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
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kleiba 2y ago
> Just like in 2016, the polls were intended to deceive people into thinking there was no hope for an alternative candidate. And who, in your opinion, executed this coordinated deception, and to what end?
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  The Democrat-leaning media is obviously the culprit I'm talking about, and they do it to try to win. While there is some Republican-leaning media, approximately 80% of the media leans toward Democrats.
t-3 2y ago
That's just not true. Even the New York Times had Trump projected to win on election day '24, before any state had finished polling.

culi 2y ago

Major decisions desks (AP, Edison, and Fox News; plus a recent newcomer called DDHQ) have made about 3 incorrect calls in their entire history (they were house races, not senate or presidential calls). An incorrect call is a HUGE deal and they have an extremely high bar for certainty. Even for Obama, who's wins were basically a landslide compared to the past 3 elections, calls weren't made until around midnight. Historically it's even common for presidential candidates to concede even before decision desks have made an official call (another norm Trump has challenged). Anyways Decision Desks are a very different topic than pollsters and have no overlap. I don't know what "mainstream media" you were consuming but as a bettor, I definitely didn't get the sense that the race was locked in. All major polls had Biden trailing Trump. Harris got a big boost but that only pushed her to being neck and neck with Trump. We can check the Wayback Machine to verify your claim * NYTimes frontpage the day before the election says "turnout is a focus in a closely divided race" https://web.archive.org/web/20241105011526/https://www.nytimes.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241105011526/https://www.nytim... * Vox frontpage says "5 reasons Harris could win and 4 reasons Trump could" and "Should it really be this hard to beat Trump?" https://web.archive.org/web/20241106000611/https://www.vox.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241106000611/https://www.vox.c... * CNN frontpage does not include any particular characterization of chances https://web.archive.org/web/20241105000156/https://edition.cnn.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241105000156/https://edition.c... A cursory look at other "mainstream" media sources will easily verify that the race was clearly represented as a very close tossup.

colonCapitalDee 2y ago
> complains about mainstream media > has no idea what mainstream media says because only source of information is unreliable fringe news sources many such cases
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  I get information from everywhere. Don't project your ignorance of alternatives on me.
wakawaka28 2y ago
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kleiba 2y ago

> Just like in 2016, the polls were intended to deceive people into thinking there was no hope for an alternative candidate. And who, in your opinion, executed this coordinated deception, and to what end?

wakawaka28 2y ago
The Democrat-leaning media is obviously the culprit I'm talking about, and they do it to try to win. While there is some Republican-leaning media, approximately 80% of the media leans toward Democrats.

t-3 2y ago

That's just not true. Even the New York Times had Trump projected to win on election day '24, before any state had finished polling.