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The shrouded sinister history of the bulldozer

78 points by g8oz 2y ago

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kens 2y ago
The article has a pull quote: “Bulldozers were as important to the Allied victory as the jet engine, the radar or the atomic bomb.” That's a strange statement since the jet engine had approximately zero impact on the Allied victory; the P-80 Shooting Star was produced too late to be useful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jet_aircraft_of_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jet_aircraft_of_World_...
- NoahKAndrews 2y ago
  It says "aircraft engine" for me
  - jsheard 2y ago
    You're both right, it says aircraft engine in the article body but jet engine in the pull quote. They caught the error but forgot to update the latter.
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- out-of-ideas 2y ago
  great catch - deff seems inaccurate of a statement (more like lack of jet engine used against) tangentially, had to dig up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37945006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37945006 as it triggered the ol brain
- rkosk 2y ago
  The P-80 might not have seen any action but the Gloster Meteor was introduced into service in July 1944 and saw a fair bit of combat through to the end of the war in Europe. Not a massive impact and wasn't really that important in the grand scheme of things, but it's still an allied jet powered plane that made some contribution to the war effort.
- foxyv 2y ago
  They had an impact, just in the wrong way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
genewitch 2y ago
As someone who lives now in Louisiana and with someone born here, we did not know that the term was used to describe mostly white Democrats attacking black Republican male voters. I wonder if there's any historical markers to that effect. Also interesting is that "bullpup" to describe a type of firearm comes from this usage of bulldozer.
- aerostable_slug 2y ago
  > Also interesting is that "bullpup" to describe a type of firearm comes from this usage of bulldozer. It does? Can you point me to more information on this topic? I thought the etymology of "bullpup" was far from settled.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    it's in TFA - "bulldog pistols" and "bulldozer" rifles or whatever. bulldog -> smaller -> bullpup. if there's some other etymology i'd be curious how convoluted it is, since this makes practical sense. Sorry i have no more information than that.
    - drjasonharrison 2y ago
      Bulldogs: dogs with short snouts? Bulls: temperamental male herbivores? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bull_Dog_revolver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bull_Dog_revolver https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bullpup https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bullpup "Etymology From bull +‎ pup. The firearms sense originated from firearm designers in the United States during the 1930s. The unconventional configuration of bullpup rifles was compared by analogy to bulldog puppies, which were considered "squat, ugly, but still aggressive and powerful"."
      - genewitch 2y ago
        The article says Bulldozer was a gun, then bulldog was a pistol. bullpup is the obvious evolution for a smaller rifle. but since we want to argue etymology with genewitch: https://www.archivingindustry.com/Gunsandgunmakers/directory-b.pdf https://www.archivingindustry.com/Gunsandgunmakers/directory... > Bulldog, also known as ‘Bulldozer’. An angular cartridge derringer patented by Henry Hammond in 1866 and made by the Connecticut Arms Co. until 1868 in chamberings ranging from .22 Short rimfire to .50. The barrel was released by a catch on the breech top and pivoted to the left to expose the chamber. > Bulldog A five-shot double-action swing-cylinder revolver designed by Douglas McClenahan, and made in the U.S.A. by the Charter Arms Corporation in .357 Magnum or .44 Special. Barrels may be 2.5 or 3 inches long, the latter being discontinued in 1988. Finish may be blue or stainless steel, and some guns (usually with ‘P’ suffix catalogue numbers) may be obtained with the snubbed ‘Pocket Hammer’. They also have wraparound neoprene grips instead of wood. See also ‘Police Bulldog’, ‘Target Bulldog’. Bulldog Pug Introduced by Charter Arms in 1986, this is a variant of the Bulldog with a 2.5in barrel, fixed sights, a shrouded ejector and a broad hammer spur. >Bulldog Tracker Another variant of the Charter Arms Bulldog, dating from c. 1982–6 and 1989 to date, this .357 Magnum revolver has adjustable sights, hand-filling wooden grips and barrels of 2.5–6 inches. > Bulldozer A cartridge derringer patented in the U.S.A. by Henry Hammond, better known as the ‘Bulldog’ (q.v.)
hot_gril 2y ago
ISIS also used bulldozers, notably to destroy ancient cities like Nimrud.
karaterobot 2y ago
Bulldozers can be used to grade surfaces prior to buildings being constructed... Buildings in which crimes are committed, from financial fraud to outright murder.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Bulldozers themselves have been used to murder. There were examples given in the article? Not sure the point of this comment?
  - Qem 2y ago
    > Bulldozers themselves have been used to murder. There were examples given in the article? https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/israelpalestine-israeli-army-bulldozers-allegedly-run-over-wounded-civilians-in-northern-gaza-co-did-not-respond/ https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/israelpa...
    - theogravity 2y ago
      killdozer? although "No one else was injured or killed,[1] in part due to timely evacuation orders" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
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      - morkalork 2y ago
        Here, I got another: https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19910912/1305069/iraqis-buried-alive----us-attacked-with-bulldozers-during-gulf-war-ground-attack https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19910912/1305069/ir...
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2y ago
    I believe the comment's point is sarcasm
dale_glass 2y ago
Eh. This all seems very backwards to me. It seems to be a human tendency to want to oversimplify problems. It seems very wrong-headed to me to concentrate on one particular machine than for instance on that one influential guy had no appreciation for the jungle, plus whatever politics surrounded that, plus the desires/needs/etc of the surrounding communities, investors, etc. Because yeah, the right machine sure helps get wrong things done faster, but it's not like we've ever lacked means to be inventive when we really want to, or just sheer pigheadedness to do it even if it was hard. If it's not a bulldozer it might be flamethrowers, defoliants, repurposed tanks, chainsaws, etc. If enough people (or a few rich enough people) want a jungle gone, then they'll probably get that done sooner or later with whatever means they can. It's this bigger and more complex issue we should be looking into solving.
- hot_gril 2y ago
  I just took it as poetic, not that bulldozers are actually a problem. Innocent-looking machine can be used for grotesque things, which is creepier in a way than regular weapons. That's about it. Idk if that's what the author intended.
thaumasiotes 2y ago
> The bulldozer we know today took shape in the first quarter of the 20th century. In 1917, the Russell Grader Manufacturing Company advertised a bulldozer in their catalog: a huge metal blade pulled by mules that could cut into the earth and flatten the land. Isn't that just a "plow"? We had horse-drawn plows well before the 20th century.
- moron4hire 2y ago
  It's kind of like a sideways plow
- mikequinlan 2y ago
  A plow cuts furrows into the soil; a bulldozer just flattens it.
- sfilmeyer 2y ago
  I thought plows were more about tilling than flattening, but I'm no expert.
deadbabe 2y ago
Nothing good happens in the path of a bulldozer. The operation of this machine extracts a heavy toll from the soul of the operator.
- tty2048 2y ago
  The Scoops Are On Their Way! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ehI9Fvbz7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ehI9Fvbz7Y
  - tty2048 2y ago
    Technically it was a modified garbage truck but they were sort of used like people bulldozers. https://scifi.fandom.com/wiki/Scoops https://scifi.fandom.com/wiki/Scoops
tedunangst 2y ago
What kind of safeguards are we imagining the bulldozer should have? Should we attach an AI camera to the engine to prevent bulldozing the wrong things?
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2y ago
  More regulation, of course. It's worked so well for guns, after all. Because making more laws prevents people who disregard laws from breaking other laws. Really, we should just cut to the chase and outlaw murder.
  - awesome_dude 2y ago
    It has worked for guns - the countries where guns are a problem either have very lax regulation, or very lax enforcement (because of a breakdown of government)
    - coffeecantcode 2y ago
      Well, there are also countries like Switzerland where there is a substantially higher amount of gun ownership compared to that of the rest of Europe but very few of the same issues of other countries with similar ownership per capita. Though, that’s probably due to the required service training and the screenings that come along with it. And it being a relatively small country.
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      - azernik 2y ago
        So... not lax regulation
        coffeecantcode 2y ago
        Lax is relative.
Qem 2y ago
Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
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- immibis 2y ago
  Protesting Israel and getting murdered at the protest is one of those "sticking your hand into a lawnmower" situations. Do not anthropomorphize lawnmowers, Larry Ellision, or the state of Israel.
  - Qem 2y ago
    Lawnmowers don't throw parties to celebrate the hands they shredded: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-soldiers-have-depraved-fun-making-rachel-corrie-pancakes https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-so...
CobaltFire 2y ago
Relevant to the part about the brown tree snake on Guam, the inspectors for Hawai’i just had their building lease canceled by GSA/DOGE and barely kept their jobs: https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2025-03-10/brown-tree-snake-employees-on-guam-forced-out-of-their-facilities https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2025-03-10/brow... I was stationed on Guam for a bit, on the aviation side. We had to do quite a few inspections for those snakes, and worked with the people in the article I linked. In three years we found 7 on birds I inspected (a few hundred I imagine), all just before deployment overseas. Those snakes got into the oddest places.
6stringmerc 2y ago
Marvin Heemyer may be relevant in some way to readers as well: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer The documentary “Tread” is something I recommend if available.
Lammy 2y ago
It usually really bothers me (not joking) when people use “sinister” when they actually mean “nefarious” or “odious” or whatever, because it perpetuates old superstition about left-handed people being evil even if does so unknowingly. > “bulldozer” […] popped up in […] an Illinois court case to describe a manufacturing machine that had ripped off a worker’s left arm. …but this time I guess I have to give it a pass :) Hug a lefty today!
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  That's hysterical! (geddit?) But more seriously, there's a number of words like that, IIUC. E.g. cretin, barbarian, slave, hysterical, lesbian. Probably other terms as well, I'm guessing. I'm not sure it's worth getting too worked up about the original usages of those terms, if most people using them aren't making the connection.
- robocat 2y ago
  Too many words have gauche secondary meanings: we can't sidestep every nuance or there'd be no words left. I love me some wry leftfield connotations. Although I think maladroit and dextrous can rightly be left out.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  I've never heard this, and I doubt many others have. Feels like this level of word policing is digging up long forgotten previous uses which don't have any relevance today.
Reasoning 2y ago
New Journalism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
hy4000days 2y ago
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ourmandave 2y ago
Every time the Machines Become Self-Aware and Murderous a dozer is going to show up eventually. It just takes a while since they top out around 8 mph. Case in point: Shake Hands with Danger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26fTGBEi9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26fTGBEi9E
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  Nice! Obligatory RiffTrax version: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_nqa6e6WV2o&si=d9eX8-vrPEZmd2de https://youtube.com/watch?v=_nqa6e6WV2o&si=d9eX8-vrPEZmd2de
aaron695 2y ago
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metalman 2y ago
This means I have to start calling my lucky bulldozer charm, something else, oh well, it's not like it didn't cause befudlement and awkward moments, I missed the sinister bulldozer thing somehow.
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78 points by g8oz 2y ago

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kens 2y ago

The article has a pull quote: “Bulldozers were as important to the Allied victory as the jet engine, the radar or the atomic bomb.” That's a strange statement since the jet engine had approximately zero impact on the Allied victory; the P-80 Shooting Star was produced too late to be useful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jet_aircraft_of_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jet_aircraft_of_World_...

NoahKAndrews 2y ago
It says "aircraft engine" for me
- jsheard 2y ago
  You're both right, it says aircraft engine in the article body but jet engine in the pull quote. They caught the error but forgot to update the latter.
- deleted 2y ago
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out-of-ideas 2y ago
great catch - deff seems inaccurate of a statement (more like lack of jet engine used against) tangentially, had to dig up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37945006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37945006 as it triggered the ol brain
rkosk 2y ago
The P-80 might not have seen any action but the Gloster Meteor was introduced into service in July 1944 and saw a fair bit of combat through to the end of the war in Europe. Not a massive impact and wasn't really that important in the grand scheme of things, but it's still an allied jet powered plane that made some contribution to the war effort.
foxyv 2y ago
They had an impact, just in the wrong way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

genewitch 2y ago

As someone who lives now in Louisiana and with someone born here, we did not know that the term was used to describe mostly white Democrats attacking black Republican male voters. I wonder if there's any historical markers to that effect. Also interesting is that "bullpup" to describe a type of firearm comes from this usage of bulldozer.

aerostable_slug 2y ago
> Also interesting is that "bullpup" to describe a type of firearm comes from this usage of bulldozer. It does? Can you point me to more information on this topic? I thought the etymology of "bullpup" was far from settled.
- genewitch 2y ago
  it's in TFA - "bulldog pistols" and "bulldozer" rifles or whatever. bulldog -> smaller -> bullpup. if there's some other etymology i'd be curious how convoluted it is, since this makes practical sense. Sorry i have no more information than that.
  - drjasonharrison 2y ago
    Bulldogs: dogs with short snouts? Bulls: temperamental male herbivores? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bull_Dog_revolver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bull_Dog_revolver https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bullpup https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bullpup "Etymology From bull +‎ pup. The firearms sense originated from firearm designers in the United States during the 1930s. The unconventional configuration of bullpup rifles was compared by analogy to bulldog puppies, which were considered "squat, ugly, but still aggressive and powerful"."
    - genewitch 2y ago
      The article says Bulldozer was a gun, then bulldog was a pistol. bullpup is the obvious evolution for a smaller rifle. but since we want to argue etymology with genewitch: https://www.archivingindustry.com/Gunsandgunmakers/directory-b.pdf https://www.archivingindustry.com/Gunsandgunmakers/directory... > Bulldog, also known as ‘Bulldozer’. An angular cartridge derringer patented by Henry Hammond in 1866 and made by the Connecticut Arms Co. until 1868 in chamberings ranging from .22 Short rimfire to .50. The barrel was released by a catch on the breech top and pivoted to the left to expose the chamber. > Bulldog A five-shot double-action swing-cylinder revolver designed by Douglas McClenahan, and made in the U.S.A. by the Charter Arms Corporation in .357 Magnum or .44 Special. Barrels may be 2.5 or 3 inches long, the latter being discontinued in 1988. Finish may be blue or stainless steel, and some guns (usually with ‘P’ suffix catalogue numbers) may be obtained with the snubbed ‘Pocket Hammer’. They also have wraparound neoprene grips instead of wood. See also ‘Police Bulldog’, ‘Target Bulldog’. Bulldog Pug Introduced by Charter Arms in 1986, this is a variant of the Bulldog with a 2.5in barrel, fixed sights, a shrouded ejector and a broad hammer spur. >Bulldog Tracker Another variant of the Charter Arms Bulldog, dating from c. 1982–6 and 1989 to date, this .357 Magnum revolver has adjustable sights, hand-filling wooden grips and barrels of 2.5–6 inches. > Bulldozer A cartridge derringer patented in the U.S.A. by Henry Hammond, better known as the ‘Bulldog’ (q.v.)

hot_gril 2y ago

ISIS also used bulldozers, notably to destroy ancient cities like Nimrud.

karaterobot 2y ago

Bulldozers can be used to grade surfaces prior to buildings being constructed... Buildings in which crimes are committed, from financial fraud to outright murder.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
Bulldozers themselves have been used to murder. There were examples given in the article? Not sure the point of this comment?
- Qem 2y ago
  > Bulldozers themselves have been used to murder. There were examples given in the article? https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/israelpalestine-israeli-army-bulldozers-allegedly-run-over-wounded-civilians-in-northern-gaza-co-did-not-respond/ https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/israelpa...
  - theogravity 2y ago
    killdozer? although "No one else was injured or killed,[1] in part due to timely evacuation orders" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
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    - morkalork 2y ago
      Here, I got another: https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19910912/1305069/iraqis-buried-alive----us-attacked-with-bulldozers-during-gulf-war-ground-attack https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19910912/1305069/ir...
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2y ago
  I believe the comment's point is sarcasm

dale_glass 2y ago

Eh. This all seems very backwards to me. It seems to be a human tendency to want to oversimplify problems. It seems very wrong-headed to me to concentrate on one particular machine than for instance on that one influential guy had no appreciation for the jungle, plus whatever politics surrounded that, plus the desires/needs/etc of the surrounding communities, investors, etc. Because yeah, the right machine sure helps get wrong things done faster, but it's not like we've ever lacked means to be inventive when we really want to, or just sheer pigheadedness to do it even if it was hard. If it's not a bulldozer it might be flamethrowers, defoliants, repurposed tanks, chainsaws, etc. If enough people (or a few rich enough people) want a jungle gone, then they'll probably get that done sooner or later with whatever means they can. It's this bigger and more complex issue we should be looking into solving.

hot_gril 2y ago
I just took it as poetic, not that bulldozers are actually a problem. Innocent-looking machine can be used for grotesque things, which is creepier in a way than regular weapons. That's about it. Idk if that's what the author intended.

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> The bulldozer we know today took shape in the first quarter of the 20th century. In 1917, the Russell Grader Manufacturing Company advertised a bulldozer in their catalog: a huge metal blade pulled by mules that could cut into the earth and flatten the land. Isn't that just a "plow"? We had horse-drawn plows well before the 20th century.

moron4hire 2y ago
It's kind of like a sideways plow
mikequinlan 2y ago
A plow cuts furrows into the soil; a bulldozer just flattens it.
sfilmeyer 2y ago
I thought plows were more about tilling than flattening, but I'm no expert.

deadbabe 2y ago

Nothing good happens in the path of a bulldozer. The operation of this machine extracts a heavy toll from the soul of the operator.

tty2048 2y ago
The Scoops Are On Their Way! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ehI9Fvbz7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ehI9Fvbz7Y
- tty2048 2y ago
  Technically it was a modified garbage truck but they were sort of used like people bulldozers. https://scifi.fandom.com/wiki/Scoops https://scifi.fandom.com/wiki/Scoops

tedunangst 2y ago

What kind of safeguards are we imagining the bulldozer should have? Should we attach an AI camera to the engine to prevent bulldozing the wrong things?

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2y ago
More regulation, of course. It's worked so well for guns, after all. Because making more laws prevents people who disregard laws from breaking other laws. Really, we should just cut to the chase and outlaw murder.
- awesome_dude 2y ago
  It has worked for guns - the countries where guns are a problem either have very lax regulation, or very lax enforcement (because of a breakdown of government)
  - coffeecantcode 2y ago
    Well, there are also countries like Switzerland where there is a substantially higher amount of gun ownership compared to that of the rest of Europe but very few of the same issues of other countries with similar ownership per capita. Though, that’s probably due to the required service training and the screenings that come along with it. And it being a relatively small country.
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    - azernik 2y ago
      So... not lax regulation
      - coffeecantcode 2y ago
        Lax is relative.

Qem 2y ago

Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

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immibis 2y ago
Protesting Israel and getting murdered at the protest is one of those "sticking your hand into a lawnmower" situations. Do not anthropomorphize lawnmowers, Larry Ellision, or the state of Israel.
- Qem 2y ago
  Lawnmowers don't throw parties to celebrate the hands they shredded: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-soldiers-have-depraved-fun-making-rachel-corrie-pancakes https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-so...

CobaltFire 2y ago

Relevant to the part about the brown tree snake on Guam, the inspectors for Hawai’i just had their building lease canceled by GSA/DOGE and barely kept their jobs: https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2025-03-10/brown-tree-snake-employees-on-guam-forced-out-of-their-facilities https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2025-03-10/brow... I was stationed on Guam for a bit, on the aviation side. We had to do quite a few inspections for those snakes, and worked with the people in the article I linked. In three years we found 7 on birds I inspected (a few hundred I imagine), all just before deployment overseas. Those snakes got into the oddest places.

6stringmerc 2y ago

Marvin Heemyer may be relevant in some way to readers as well: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer The documentary “Tread” is something I recommend if available.

Lammy 2y ago

It usually really bothers me (not joking) when people use “sinister” when they actually mean “nefarious” or “odious” or whatever, because it perpetuates old superstition about left-handed people being evil even if does so unknowingly. > “bulldozer” […] popped up in […] an Illinois court case to describe a manufacturing machine that had ripped off a worker’s left arm. …but this time I guess I have to give it a pass :) Hug a lefty today!

CoastalCoder 2y ago
That's hysterical! (geddit?) But more seriously, there's a number of words like that, IIUC. E.g. cretin, barbarian, slave, hysterical, lesbian. Probably other terms as well, I'm guessing. I'm not sure it's worth getting too worked up about the original usages of those terms, if most people using them aren't making the connection.
robocat 2y ago
Too many words have gauche secondary meanings: we can't sidestep every nuance or there'd be no words left. I love me some wry leftfield connotations. Although I think maladroit and dextrous can rightly be left out.
Gigachad 2y ago
I've never heard this, and I doubt many others have. Feels like this level of word policing is digging up long forgotten previous uses which don't have any relevance today.

Reasoning 2y ago

New Journalism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

hy4000days 2y ago

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ourmandave 2y ago

Every time the Machines Become Self-Aware and Murderous a dozer is going to show up eventually. It just takes a while since they top out around 8 mph. Case in point: Shake Hands with Danger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26fTGBEi9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26fTGBEi9E

CoastalCoder 2y ago
Nice! Obligatory RiffTrax version: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_nqa6e6WV2o&si=d9eX8-vrPEZmd2de https://youtube.com/watch?v=_nqa6e6WV2o&si=d9eX8-vrPEZmd2de

aaron695 2y ago

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metalman 2y ago

This means I have to start calling my lucky bulldozer charm, something else, oh well, it's not like it didn't cause befudlement and awkward moments, I missed the sinister bulldozer thing somehow.

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