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A similar story about Ice detaining a German tourist in California indefinitely. Jessica Brösche has spent more than a month in detention center after being den

by n1b0m 2y ago

A similar story about Ice detaining a German tourist in California indefinitely. Jessica Brösche has spent more than a month in detention center after being denied entry at San Diego from Mexico. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-tourist-detained-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

DidYaWipe 2y ago
The hypocrisy of everything under this administration boggles the mind. "You're here illegally! No, we won't let you leave!"
- ohgr 2y ago
  I think it’s malicious incompetence. They probably rolled this out so fast and fired everyone who could manage it at the same time that it’s running at the stage of “how do we not starve these people” levels of chaos. What a shit show though.
  - throw16180339 2y ago
    ICE probably has quotas for detainment, so they're imprisoning people who would previously have been sent home.
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      Every day is a slow day these days so those guys who were hired to detain people are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's like being pulled over for nothing because there's nobody else to pull over at 1am on a Tuesday.
- bloomingeek 2y ago
  I have English relatives, my son-in-laws family, lovely people. They want to come visit again, but are concerned about the craziness of the current administration. When they visit, they spend plenty of money and have a great time. Does the GOP think tourists from other countries aren't paying attention?!?
  - jajko 2y ago
    Wanted to visit US for 2 weeks next year or one after with kids. Forget that, will reevaluate that decision in 4 years but not holding my breath about future development. Shame...
    - DidYaWipe 2y ago
      I hear Canada's nice...
  - apercu 2y ago
    >"Does the GOP think"
    - apercu 2y ago
      uh oh, must have insulted "critical thinking doge fans". While I acknowledge my tongue in cheek quote is not on brand for HN, and the GOP has demonstrated a long term, 40-year strategy of embracing ancient middle eastern value systems to co-op US government, that does not mean the current crop of leaders are deep thinkers.
- stevenwoo 2y ago
  It's part of the ICE grift. Ninety percent of ICE detention facilities are run by private companies. This has been going on through many administrations of all political stripes so sadly non partisan in a way, but there's no good excuse for this privatization for profit, it incentivizes making it harder for legal representation and reducing the number of judges, to increase the length of detention.
anigbrowl 2y ago
More than one: https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/usa-einreise-zweiter-deutscher-tourist-in-us-abschiebehaft-150225448276 https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/usa-einreise-zweiter-deutscher-... (in German)
refurb 2y ago
That tourist couldn’t be admitted to the IS, nor returned to Mexico as they didn’t have permission. So they had to wait for deportation?
- nosianu 2y ago
  She had an airline ticket. She missed that flight now. > Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin
  - caseyy 2y ago
    Yes, but where was she supposed to go before her flight? She was trying to commit immigration fraud by coming to work to the US with ESTA. There was evidence. So she could not be let in. She also could not be legally turned around. And deportation takes time. Of course, it is not desirable to detain such people. And it is especially unfortunate that she was in a for-profit detention facility and suffered mistreatment there. But what is the other option? Let in people with a known history of immigration fraud? When someone is warned many, many times during the ESTA application process that they may not work in the US during their stay, and they still decide to do so illegally, then sometimes there are consequences to these actions. Even if this person is German. Of course, it is sad and unfortunate that these things happen. And perhaps laws could change so that small scale offenders are inconvenienced less, but there is a big debate about that with regard to sanctuary cities and decriminalizing petty crime, and it does seem like it’s not the way to go either. Alternatively, the penalty is a deterrent for an offence. Maybe one shouldn’t expect pleasant treatment if they willingly break laws.
    - addicted 2y ago
      > She was trying to commit immigration fraud by coming to work to the US with ESTA. There was evidence. So she could not be let in. She also could not be legally turned around. And deportation takes time. Even if we accept everything you say as true (which it very well may be, so sure), you’ve papered over the crux of the isssue with “deportation may take time”. No. Deportation takes no time whatsoever. ICE has been deporting people within hours of detaining them even in situations where they don’t want to go back to their home countries or their home country doesn’t want to accept them. But even beyond that, the only reason it’s “taking time” is because the Trump administration fired a whole bunch of immigration judges slowing the entire process down. End of the day you can make all the excuses you want. My friends who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in the U.S. in the past are not gonna come anymore. Literally no one benefits from this mess but all some people can do is defend the stupidest of policies and actions.

by n1b0m 2y ago

DidYaWipe 2y ago

The hypocrisy of everything under this administration boggles the mind. "You're here illegally! No, we won't let you leave!"

ohgr 2y ago
I think it’s malicious incompetence. They probably rolled this out so fast and fired everyone who could manage it at the same time that it’s running at the stage of “how do we not starve these people” levels of chaos. What a shit show though.
- throw16180339 2y ago
  ICE probably has quotas for detainment, so they're imprisoning people who would previously have been sent home.
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    Every day is a slow day these days so those guys who were hired to detain people are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's like being pulled over for nothing because there's nobody else to pull over at 1am on a Tuesday.
bloomingeek 2y ago
I have English relatives, my son-in-laws family, lovely people. They want to come visit again, but are concerned about the craziness of the current administration. When they visit, they spend plenty of money and have a great time. Does the GOP think tourists from other countries aren't paying attention?!?
- jajko 2y ago
  Wanted to visit US for 2 weeks next year or one after with kids. Forget that, will reevaluate that decision in 4 years but not holding my breath about future development. Shame...
  - DidYaWipe 2y ago
    I hear Canada's nice...
- apercu 2y ago
  >"Does the GOP think"
  - apercu 2y ago
    uh oh, must have insulted "critical thinking doge fans". While I acknowledge my tongue in cheek quote is not on brand for HN, and the GOP has demonstrated a long term, 40-year strategy of embracing ancient middle eastern value systems to co-op US government, that does not mean the current crop of leaders are deep thinkers.
stevenwoo 2y ago
It's part of the ICE grift. Ninety percent of ICE detention facilities are run by private companies. This has been going on through many administrations of all political stripes so sadly non partisan in a way, but there's no good excuse for this privatization for profit, it incentivizes making it harder for legal representation and reducing the number of judges, to increase the length of detention.

anigbrowl 2y ago

More than one: https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/usa-einreise-zweiter-deutscher-tourist-in-us-abschiebehaft-150225448276 https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/usa-einreise-zweiter-deutscher-... (in German)

refurb 2y ago

That tourist couldn’t be admitted to the IS, nor returned to Mexico as they didn’t have permission. So they had to wait for deportation?

nosianu 2y ago
She had an airline ticket. She missed that flight now. > Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin
- caseyy 2y ago
  Yes, but where was she supposed to go before her flight? She was trying to commit immigration fraud by coming to work to the US with ESTA. There was evidence. So she could not be let in. She also could not be legally turned around. And deportation takes time. Of course, it is not desirable to detain such people. And it is especially unfortunate that she was in a for-profit detention facility and suffered mistreatment there. But what is the other option? Let in people with a known history of immigration fraud? When someone is warned many, many times during the ESTA application process that they may not work in the US during their stay, and they still decide to do so illegally, then sometimes there are consequences to these actions. Even if this person is German. Of course, it is sad and unfortunate that these things happen. And perhaps laws could change so that small scale offenders are inconvenienced less, but there is a big debate about that with regard to sanctuary cities and decriminalizing petty crime, and it does seem like it’s not the way to go either. Alternatively, the penalty is a deterrent for an offence. Maybe one shouldn’t expect pleasant treatment if they willingly break laws.
  - addicted 2y ago
    > She was trying to commit immigration fraud by coming to work to the US with ESTA. There was evidence. So she could not be let in. She also could not be legally turned around. And deportation takes time. Even if we accept everything you say as true (which it very well may be, so sure), you’ve papered over the crux of the isssue with “deportation may take time”. No. Deportation takes no time whatsoever. ICE has been deporting people within hours of detaining them even in situations where they don’t want to go back to their home countries or their home country doesn’t want to accept them. But even beyond that, the only reason it’s “taking time” is because the Trump administration fired a whole bunch of immigration judges slowing the entire process down. End of the day you can make all the excuses you want. My friends who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in the U.S. in the past are not gonna come anymore. Literally no one benefits from this mess but all some people can do is defend the stupidest of policies and actions.