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I've never had anything to do with foreign exchange students, but are they absolutely prohibited from work of any kind? If there is ambiguity, then we can't ha

by chasil 2y ago

I've never had anything to do with foreign exchange students, but are they absolutely prohibited from work of any kind? If there is ambiguity, then we can't have them here.

aaomidi 2y ago
Basically.
toast0 2y ago
In the US, it's very clear. If they don't have work authorization from USCIS, they shouldn't be doing work. There's some guidelines out there on the internet [1], but the students should be extremely careful; any form of compensation or expectation of future compensation for their work could put them in serious trouble. The University of Michigan has a more fleshed out guideline page for their international students [2]. [1] https://marksgray.com/immigration-blog/can-foreign-nationals-volunteer-while-waiting-for-work-authorization/ https://marksgray.com/immigration-blog/can-foreign-nationals... [2] https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/students/employment-volunteer https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/students/employment-vo...
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  Musk is lucky enforcement wasn't as strict back then.
  - codedokode 2y ago
    Cannot citizenship be revoked for past violations?
    - toast0 2y ago
      There are acceptable grounds for revocation of naturalization [1], but I'm not sure that having previously violated visa terms necessarily qualifies. The question becomes was he lawfully admitted to permanent residency, and was there a concealment of material facts or willful misrepresentation involved in the process. We would need to really see his immigration file and have knowledge of the dates he was in the US, and when he performed work. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter...
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      Not really. It has only happened a couple times in hundreds of years and was about foreign spys
korkybuchek 2y ago
> but are they absolutely prohibited from work of any kind? Generally yes. But you can have on-campus jobs to supplement your income, and there are at least two programs (CPT and OPT) that let you get approval for limited-term employment in your area of study. CPT also requires university approval.
- kccqzy 2y ago
  Both would require university approval. OPT is literally structured as a course at the university.
  - davidgay 2y ago
    You can also do OPT "post-completion" of your degree - this also gives your (new) employer some time to apply for a longer-term work visa.
    - yandie 2y ago
      And you need to get work authorization (EAD card) for that. It’s not a given
bakul 2y ago
She was on a tourist visa. She should have gotten a J-1 visa who can do 20 hours/week part time work with some constraints. Some details about this visa: https://yfuusa.org/2024/05/16/j1-student-visa/ https://yfuusa.org/2024/05/16/j1-student-visa/

by chasil 2y ago

I've never had anything to do with foreign exchange students, but are they absolutely prohibited from work of any kind? If there is ambiguity, then we can't have them here.

aaomidi 2y ago

Basically.

toast0 2y ago

In the US, it's very clear. If they don't have work authorization from USCIS, they shouldn't be doing work. There's some guidelines out there on the internet [1], but the students should be extremely careful; any form of compensation or expectation of future compensation for their work could put them in serious trouble. The University of Michigan has a more fleshed out guideline page for their international students [2]. [1] https://marksgray.com/immigration-blog/can-foreign-nationals-volunteer-while-waiting-for-work-authorization/ https://marksgray.com/immigration-blog/can-foreign-nationals... [2] https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/students/employment-volunteer https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/students/employment-vo...

actionfromafar 2y ago
Musk is lucky enforcement wasn't as strict back then.
- codedokode 2y ago
  Cannot citizenship be revoked for past violations?
  - toast0 2y ago
    There are acceptable grounds for revocation of naturalization [1], but I'm not sure that having previously violated visa terms necessarily qualifies. The question becomes was he lawfully admitted to permanent residency, and was there a concealment of material facts or willful misrepresentation involved in the process. We would need to really see his immigration file and have knowledge of the dates he was in the US, and when he performed work. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter...
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Not really. It has only happened a couple times in hundreds of years and was about foreign spys

korkybuchek 2y ago

> but are they absolutely prohibited from work of any kind? Generally yes. But you can have on-campus jobs to supplement your income, and there are at least two programs (CPT and OPT) that let you get approval for limited-term employment in your area of study. CPT also requires university approval.

kccqzy 2y ago
Both would require university approval. OPT is literally structured as a course at the university.
- davidgay 2y ago
  You can also do OPT "post-completion" of your degree - this also gives your (new) employer some time to apply for a longer-term work visa.
  - yandie 2y ago
    And you need to get work authorization (EAD card) for that. It’s not a given

bakul 2y ago

She was on a tourist visa. She should have gotten a J-1 visa who can do 20 hours/week part time work with some constraints. Some details about this visa: https://yfuusa.org/2024/05/16/j1-student-visa/ https://yfuusa.org/2024/05/16/j1-student-visa/