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There's a right and a wrong way to enforce the law, though. Putting her in a literal prison and in an orange jumpsuit is overkill. Clearly she just screwed up
by kennysoona 2y ago
There's a right and a wrong way to enforce the law, though.
Putting her in a literal prison and in an orange jumpsuit is overkill. Clearly she just screwed up and thought what she was doing was ok, but isn't a threat. Let her go back to the UK and no longer be eligible for ESTA. How is that not sufficient?
- immibis 2y agoBTW this would not be the public majority opinion if she was a black man.
- scarface_74 2y ago[flagged]
- timeon 2y agoIt seems shocking from European perspective. At least they did not shot her because of resisting or something.
- necovek 2y agoShe might experience the same thing if she planned a "work away" trip to the EU, now that UK is not part of the EU.
- kennysoona 2y agoNo. The EU doesn't treat people like that for such a minor offense.
- latency-guy2 2y agoI suggest you read up on your country's actual visa violation punitive assessment. You'll be surprised I guarantee it if this is your "European" perspective. The countries who can enforce their visa terms, do. And Europeans are no different, some are even worse than US treatment they're getting.
- kennysoona 2y ago> some are even worse than US treatment they're getting. Show one comparable story from an EU country.
- latency-guy2 2y agoI'm curious if you think there is actually none before I go any further
- kennysoona 2y agoAll good, I think your answer here is enough.
- necovek 2y agoThere is only one way to enforce the law, which is to enforce it upon learning of all the circumstances, both in favour and not in favour of the accused. The fact that you are not familiar with the law never protects you by design ("oh sorry, I never realised I wasn't allowed to just take their bike and ride away") — so it's upon the courts to make judgement on the entire set of circumstances. The problem with any immigration service in the world is that they are dealing with non-citizens which lack most protections citizenship would have given them — which means that it may take its sweet time before courts actually hear her defense and probably decide as you suggest (along with introducing a 3 or 5 year ban on entering the US).
- bgnn 2y agoUnless you are American. Then the bully shows their teeth.
- Cheer2171 2y agoSo do you support invalidating the citizenship of Elon Musk and Melania Trump because they both worked without authorization while on student and tourist visas?
- necovek 2y agoYou misinterpret me for someone in support of aggressive immigration policies: I am more in favour of EU-style globally open borders. But the law should either be applied to everyone equally, or overturned to not be applied at all. "Equally" does not mean you do not account for each individual case's specifics — I was responding to a comment saying there was a "right and wrong way" to apply a law (if it's applied the "wrong way", then law is not applied at all). I am in favour of abolishing any detention for "illegal immigrants" who agree to voluntary deportation. Also note that I am not a US citizen, so this is just personal opinion.
- kennysoona 2y agoAll people involved have jurisdiction on how to apply the law. Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. It creates yet another person who will come to rightfully hate the US, gets bad press affecting tourism and business, and for what? For a girl that loved the US, misinterpreted or misunderstood something and is staying a little longer, spending more money and having good experiences. Enforce the law, sure, whatever, but the jumpsuit and 10 days in a detention center are barbaric and unnecessary. There's a reason this wouldn't have happened before a wannabe dictator was in power.