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Because pressure works on girls? The rapes?

actionfromafar 2y ago
Especially the marital rapes.
alabastervlog 2y ago
I can't see the article without buying it (nope) but my first "hm, I wonder..." would be to see if they adjusted for education, income level, and parents' income level. This might just be saying something like "bullies don't excel in school", given what we already know about socioeconomic demographic trends WRT fertility. With the wrong study design they could even get this result if bullies have lower fertility than some SES sub-group they also tend to be a part of. One would suppose they adjusted for that, but sometimes papers make it out with some really weird oversights.
anon012012 2y ago
Color me naive, but isn't it simply more pleasant to have sex with a manly bully than with a "nice guy" pushover? Do we need to explain further? I guess, we can study the extent to which pushovers are being pushovers, but it should not be surprising that they are being pushed over to some extent.
- johnny22 2y ago
  > "nice guy" pushover These two things aren't as related as people think they are. One can be a "nice guy" and still not be a pushover. Being assertive is not the same as being aggressive.
- itishappy 2y ago
  Load bearing "simply" because that doesn't sound simple at all. For one, is the scale really this simple? less manly <--------> more manly pushovers most men bullies That sounds extremely reductive to me. I suspect there's at least one more axis.
- sophacles 2y ago
  Wait... a bully is a person who uses force, threat of force, and/or intimidation to get others to do what they want. Rape is using force, threat of force, and/or intimidation to get sex - aka rape is bullying for sex. Why would we discount that fundamental connection for some sort of imagined "pleasantness" - particularly when the entire premise relies on there being a single woman cloned billions of times rather than assuming that women (who are also human) have a wide range of preferences and personality traits (like the men you discuss)?
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  Guess it is the color of naïve then. As much as I appreciate that everyone has their different tastes. Being mounted by a heaving silver back, with deep grunting and howls, sweaty and lumbering, isn't everyone's cup of tea.
sgentle 2y ago
My first thought also. Every reason to think a pattern of bullying would extend to romantic and sexual partners.

Especially the marital rapes.

I can't see the article without buying it (nope) but my first "hm, I wonder..." would be to see if they adjusted for education, income level, and parents' income level. This might just be saying something like "bullies don't excel in school", given what we already know about socioeconomic demographic trends WRT fertility. With the wrong study design they could even get this result if bullies have lower fertility than some SES sub-group they also tend to be a part of. One would suppose they adjusted for that, but sometimes papers make it out with some really weird oversights.

anon012012 2y ago

Color me naive, but isn't it simply more pleasant to have sex with a manly bully than with a "nice guy" pushover? Do we need to explain further? I guess, we can study the extent to which pushovers are being pushovers, but it should not be surprising that they are being pushed over to some extent.

johnny22 2y ago
> "nice guy" pushover These two things aren't as related as people think they are. One can be a "nice guy" and still not be a pushover. Being assertive is not the same as being aggressive.
itishappy 2y ago
Load bearing "simply" because that doesn't sound simple at all. For one, is the scale really this simple? less manly <--------> more manly pushovers most men bullies That sounds extremely reductive to me. I suspect there's at least one more axis.
sophacles 2y ago
Wait... a bully is a person who uses force, threat of force, and/or intimidation to get others to do what they want. Rape is using force, threat of force, and/or intimidation to get sex - aka rape is bullying for sex. Why would we discount that fundamental connection for some sort of imagined "pleasantness" - particularly when the entire premise relies on there being a single woman cloned billions of times rather than assuming that women (who are also human) have a wide range of preferences and personality traits (like the men you discuss)?
FrustratedMonky 2y ago
Guess it is the color of naïve then. As much as I appreciate that everyone has their different tastes. Being mounted by a heaving silver back, with deep grunting and howls, sweaty and lumbering, isn't everyone's cup of tea.

sgentle 2y ago

My first thought also. Every reason to think a pattern of bullying would extend to romantic and sexual partners.