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Yeah but it's also not great when Amazon can undercut their way into every market because AWS is a crazy cash cow, which hurt other US companies. Do you really

Yeah but it's also not great when Amazon can undercut their way into every market because AWS is a crazy cash cow, which hurt other US companies. Do you really need Amazon to be a "second government" who can decide what "you" buy, see and to some degree think. It "works" in China where the government just stomps their feet if companies misbehave too much and everyone complies instantly or get replaced. Edit: s/Amazon/Jeff Bezos/g? We have megacorps in EU too, Airbus and Lidl comes to mind, though I don't think Lidl operates anything but their main business outside of Germany, in Sweden we have Lidl grocery stores however.

iLoveOncall 2y ago
Some companies / services are just not viable as a standalone company, but still provide immense value to customers. What will end up happening is not that Amazon will have to compete with others on video game streaming for example, what will happen is that video game streaming will disappear because not viable. Browsers won't suddenly flourish when Google cannot finance browsers anymore, they'll just turn to shit. People won't spend $50 a month to subscribe to what Google currently provides for free, they will just lose access. In the end the users will just flock to the Chinese equivalents which will be happy to steal all of the western data for the low cost of providing file hosting.
- alt227 2y ago
  > Browsers won't suddenly flourish when Google cannot finance browsers anymore, they'll just turn to shit. Maybe what will happen is there will be a slowdown of new browser standards as Google wont have the muscle to push things through in the browser space anymore. This would be a great thing, as it would stop the moving target of web standards and would allow other browsers to catch up. It would also stop google being able to do things like force Manifest V2 out of Chromium just because it serves their own purpose. I'd like to see this outcome.
- sunshowers 2y ago
  Why would browsers turn to "shit"? The web platform is quite capable these days. I think Chrome on Android is already pretty "shit" these days, because it doesn't support ad blocking at all.
  - ehutch79 2y ago
    *Points at firefox*
    - sunshowers 2y ago
      I use Firefox on desktop. Firefox on Android is sadly not great either -- it regularly drops frames on my 120Hz Pixel 9 Pro. Firefox on iOS doesn't have extension support. I hear Edge Canary on Android has extension support.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      Alternative browsers raise money in proportion to how many people use them. Google funds Chromium development and advertises to get people to use Chrome, so Firefox market share is eroded until they don't have enough to sustain themselves. Meanwhile Google pushes through changes to web standards at a rapid pace which consumes smaller competitors' resources implementing them. Also, Mozilla in particular is a mismanaged organization. If you take Google out of it, Chromium gets to be its own thing. Then Chromium and Firefox compete with each other on equal footing and people use whichever one is better, but they're both actually open source instead of "Chromium is open source but everybody actually uses Chrome" and the latter isn't controlled by the company trying to break ad blocking and push DRM.
    - radlad 2y ago
      I'm a happy Firefox user on desktop and Android. Can you be more specific?
      - xvector 2y ago
        It is terribly insecure and much easier to exploit than Chrome.
        sunshowers 2y ago
        In the narrow case of zero day vulnerabilities perhaps, but a good ad blocker is part of any reasonable security posture and is key to avoiding exploitation in practice.
- smnthermes 2y ago
  > Browsers won't suddenly flourish when Google cannot finance browsers anymore, they'll just turn to shit. Great! Let's go back to actual applications.
forty 2y ago
Absolutely agree on the fact that we don't need / should not have "second gouvernements" (and non democratically choosen too). Which is why we should also apply this regular "maintainance split" to largest fortunes too.

iLoveOncall 2y ago

Some companies / services are just not viable as a standalone company, but still provide immense value to customers. What will end up happening is not that Amazon will have to compete with others on video game streaming for example, what will happen is that video game streaming will disappear because not viable. Browsers won't suddenly flourish when Google cannot finance browsers anymore, they'll just turn to shit. People won't spend $50 a month to subscribe to what Google currently provides for free, they will just lose access. In the end the users will just flock to the Chinese equivalents which will be happy to steal all of the western data for the low cost of providing file hosting.

alt227 2y ago
> Browsers won't suddenly flourish when Google cannot finance browsers anymore, they'll just turn to shit. Maybe what will happen is there will be a slowdown of new browser standards as Google wont have the muscle to push things through in the browser space anymore. This would be a great thing, as it would stop the moving target of web standards and would allow other browsers to catch up. It would also stop google being able to do things like force Manifest V2 out of Chromium just because it serves their own purpose. I'd like to see this outcome.
sunshowers 2y ago
Why would browsers turn to "shit"? The web platform is quite capable these days. I think Chrome on Android is already pretty "shit" these days, because it doesn't support ad blocking at all.
- ehutch79 2y ago
  *Points at firefox*
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    I use Firefox on desktop. Firefox on Android is sadly not great either -- it regularly drops frames on my 120Hz Pixel 9 Pro. Firefox on iOS doesn't have extension support. I hear Edge Canary on Android has extension support.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    Alternative browsers raise money in proportion to how many people use them. Google funds Chromium development and advertises to get people to use Chrome, so Firefox market share is eroded until they don't have enough to sustain themselves. Meanwhile Google pushes through changes to web standards at a rapid pace which consumes smaller competitors' resources implementing them. Also, Mozilla in particular is a mismanaged organization. If you take Google out of it, Chromium gets to be its own thing. Then Chromium and Firefox compete with each other on equal footing and people use whichever one is better, but they're both actually open source instead of "Chromium is open source but everybody actually uses Chrome" and the latter isn't controlled by the company trying to break ad blocking and push DRM.
  - radlad 2y ago
    I'm a happy Firefox user on desktop and Android. Can you be more specific?
    - xvector 2y ago
      It is terribly insecure and much easier to exploit than Chrome.
      - sunshowers 2y ago
        In the narrow case of zero day vulnerabilities perhaps, but a good ad blocker is part of any reasonable security posture and is key to avoiding exploitation in practice.
smnthermes 2y ago
> Browsers won't suddenly flourish when Google cannot finance browsers anymore, they'll just turn to shit. Great! Let's go back to actual applications.

forty 2y ago

Absolutely agree on the fact that we don't need / should not have "second gouvernements" (and non democratically choosen too). Which is why we should also apply this regular "maintainance split" to largest fortunes too.