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Stocks are down because the president of the US has entered a costly trade war, actually.

bwestergard 2y ago
No disagreement from me there. But for the year to date the Nasdaq composite is down less than 4%, whereas NVIDIA is down 20%.
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- dwedge 2y ago
  Because of deepseek right? Saying it's the end of AI because of another AI is difficult to swallow
- YetAnotherNick 2y ago
  Nvidia is up 24% in last 1 year compared to <10% for Nasdaq or S&P. Cherry picking the point to compare to is bad.
  - mlinhares 2y ago
    I'm definitely betting the AI bubble is going to burst but NVIDIA isn't the company that will go down with it, they actually have a real business that is not just AI hype behind it. The insane valuation they have now might not hold but I doubt they are at any risk of disappearing.
  - danielcampos93 2y ago
    they also 10xed their revenue. 24 seems low for someone that pulled that off.
  - enragedcacti 2y ago
    It's not cherry picking to use recent data to dispute a claim about recent events. YTD might not be the best choice but its better than 1Y. 1M or Feb 20th-now give similar though not as quite as extreme differences (∨7-8% SPY vs ∨20-23% NVDA).
    - YetAnotherNick 2y ago
      Feb 3 to current is -8% for Nvidia and -10% for Nasdaq. Arbitrary point will give arbitrary results. Also Amazon which is least associated with gen AI in big tech is down 20% at that time.
      - enragedcacti 2y ago
        They aren't arbitrary. I picked the dates I did because they coincide with the widespread narrative of selloffs from tariffs and they are decent bounds on a period of stability for both. Amazon is especially vulnerable to tariffs. To be clear, I'm not really staking out a hard position on gen AI being the one true cause here, I just don't find "it's just part of the overall tariff driven market decline" to be very convincing.
SubiculumCode 2y ago
A highly unpredictable trade war, as well as rattling every international ally, convincing nations across the world to choose other military platforms than ours because Trump could just turn it off at a whim, increasing risk of political instability leading nations to turn to other nations for investment. Our economy is a ticking time bomb under Trump.
- deadbabe 2y ago
  The stock market is not the economy. International allies purchasing decisions is not the economy.
  - cyberlurker 2y ago
    Which part of the economy are you taking inspiration from?
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    Indeed, it's the terrible outlook on the economy that is leading the stock market down. The US is barreling towards recession, the continued flip flop on tariffs has cause business investment and projects to be frozen while everyone waits for certainty since they can't risk getting nuked by tariffs, the rapid and deep decline in trust of US made goods will ruin our exports and military base.
tenpies 2y ago
What do you make of something like Reddit (RDDT, down -15% at this moment)? It's unaffected by tariffs, but its insane valuation is driven by the narrative that Reddit posts can be used to train AI. Without that narrative, you have a semi-toxic collection of forums and the valuation would probably be somewhere in the millions at best, not the current $20 BB.
- greener_grass 2y ago
  The companies that might acquire Reddit are affected by tariffs.
- aetherson 2y ago
  I mean, not to say that you might not have some explanatory power here, but the market is complex and difficult to untangle, and at least some analysts are predicting recession which will certainly have effects on Reddit even if it's not directly affected by tariffs. We can all cherry-pick individual stocks.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  When a correction happens, everyone with short-term funds pulls them out. Doesn't matter if the issue has a direct connection to the stock or "makes sense" at all.
- loandbehold 2y ago
  Reddit is an ad-driven business. Ad revenues decline when economy shrinks.
- daedrdev 2y ago
  Loss-making businesses money can be expected to fail more often when a recession occurs, which looks increasingly likely. After all if they can't make any money today how will they make a profit if add spend is down by 30%?

No disagreement from me there. But for the year to date the Nasdaq composite is down less than 4%, whereas NVIDIA is down 20%.

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dwedge 2y ago
Because of deepseek right? Saying it's the end of AI because of another AI is difficult to swallow
YetAnotherNick 2y ago
Nvidia is up 24% in last 1 year compared to <10% for Nasdaq or S&P. Cherry picking the point to compare to is bad.
- mlinhares 2y ago
  I'm definitely betting the AI bubble is going to burst but NVIDIA isn't the company that will go down with it, they actually have a real business that is not just AI hype behind it. The insane valuation they have now might not hold but I doubt they are at any risk of disappearing.
- danielcampos93 2y ago
  they also 10xed their revenue. 24 seems low for someone that pulled that off.
- enragedcacti 2y ago
  It's not cherry picking to use recent data to dispute a claim about recent events. YTD might not be the best choice but its better than 1Y. 1M or Feb 20th-now give similar though not as quite as extreme differences (∨7-8% SPY vs ∨20-23% NVDA).
  - YetAnotherNick 2y ago
    Feb 3 to current is -8% for Nvidia and -10% for Nasdaq. Arbitrary point will give arbitrary results. Also Amazon which is least associated with gen AI in big tech is down 20% at that time.
    - enragedcacti 2y ago
      They aren't arbitrary. I picked the dates I did because they coincide with the widespread narrative of selloffs from tariffs and they are decent bounds on a period of stability for both. Amazon is especially vulnerable to tariffs. To be clear, I'm not really staking out a hard position on gen AI being the one true cause here, I just don't find "it's just part of the overall tariff driven market decline" to be very convincing.

SubiculumCode 2y ago

A highly unpredictable trade war, as well as rattling every international ally, convincing nations across the world to choose other military platforms than ours because Trump could just turn it off at a whim, increasing risk of political instability leading nations to turn to other nations for investment. Our economy is a ticking time bomb under Trump.

deadbabe 2y ago
The stock market is not the economy. International allies purchasing decisions is not the economy.
- cyberlurker 2y ago
  Which part of the economy are you taking inspiration from?
- daedrdev 2y ago
  Indeed, it's the terrible outlook on the economy that is leading the stock market down. The US is barreling towards recession, the continued flip flop on tariffs has cause business investment and projects to be frozen while everyone waits for certainty since they can't risk getting nuked by tariffs, the rapid and deep decline in trust of US made goods will ruin our exports and military base.

tenpies 2y ago

What do you make of something like Reddit (RDDT, down -15% at this moment)? It's unaffected by tariffs, but its insane valuation is driven by the narrative that Reddit posts can be used to train AI. Without that narrative, you have a semi-toxic collection of forums and the valuation would probably be somewhere in the millions at best, not the current $20 BB.

greener_grass 2y ago
The companies that might acquire Reddit are affected by tariffs.
aetherson 2y ago
I mean, not to say that you might not have some explanatory power here, but the market is complex and difficult to untangle, and at least some analysts are predicting recession which will certainly have effects on Reddit even if it's not directly affected by tariffs. We can all cherry-pick individual stocks.
mixmastamyk 2y ago
When a correction happens, everyone with short-term funds pulls them out. Doesn't matter if the issue has a direct connection to the stock or "makes sense" at all.
loandbehold 2y ago
Reddit is an ad-driven business. Ad revenues decline when economy shrinks.
daedrdev 2y ago
Loss-making businesses money can be expected to fail more often when a recession occurs, which looks increasingly likely. After all if they can't make any money today how will they make a profit if add spend is down by 30%?