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Look how elon was worshipped here, long after his mental issues, massive ego and racist south African nepo kid upbringing started coming out with force. I find

by jajko 2y ago

Look how elon was worshipped here, long after his mental issues, massive ego and racist south African nepo kid upbringing started coming out with force. I find it very shortsighted to substract features from personalities of successful visible people that one likes and (selectively) ignore the rest. Why the heck, adult people don't like absolute truths and don't understand those are inseparable parts of a single whole? elon is a fascist pos, gates is probably a pedophile/hebephile (epstein) pos, so is clinton and orange man, all good epstein's friends. Jobs was a horrible person. Yes they did or are doing some good, but above is still valid. And so on and on.

OgsyedIE 2y ago
Elon's track record with effective management in the first decade of SpaceX was genuinely impressive and led to bullish misunderstandings about the rest of his career (and is still impressive today even after accounting for every other part of his character and contemporary drug use). The guy running the country today doesn't have the impulse control or intellectual curiosity to accomplish the stuff he used to accomplish. The best generic explanation I've read on this phenomenon is the article "Shallow Feedback Hollows You Out" by Midjourney's Ivan Vendrov: https://nothinghuman.substack.com/p/shallow-feedback-hollows-you-out https://nothinghuman.substack.com/p/shallow-feedback-hollows...
- acdha 2y ago
  I also wonder how much of that was his working relationship with Shotwell. Nationally it looks like he doesn’t have anyone he trusts who can tell him when he’s making a mistake or redirect him towards a more useful use of his time. I’d believe that much of the credit for SpaceX is really a team of people he met early enough that there’s no way to replicate that relationship. It’s a different context but I’m reminded of how George Lucas’ work got a lot worse after his divorce from Marcia Lucas, who was not only a very talented film editor in her own right but also apparently unique for having the ability to get him to actually listen to constructive criticism.
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- jajko 2y ago
  Impressive it may have been, but he is still firmly in pos camp. Hitler (if I really have to go full Godwin) was a decent painter, loyal friend to those few close to him and a dog lover. Amon Goeth may have been a great manager too, at least from certain perspective. Who cares? Having or applying flexible morality is a very slippery slope to no morality. I mean we're not discussing some academical theory but real situation and real person. People are shocked in recent weeks, I am not just mildly disappointed. The signs were there. Just to be clear - with such brutal logic many sport folks become undefendable. Or generally famous people. For good reasons. I am fine with that, no need to desperately put people on pedestals which are temporary at best, the whole idea of desperately looking upon somebody is fine in childhood but adults should know better.
  - OgsyedIE 2y ago
    Did you read the post from yesterday's front page called Discworld Rules? It put the argument I'd like to make about the poor ideological/mental health of many fascists more eloquently that I can. Remember, Elon was an avid supporter of minority rights a decade ago.

by jajko 2y ago

OgsyedIE 2y ago

Elon's track record with effective management in the first decade of SpaceX was genuinely impressive and led to bullish misunderstandings about the rest of his career (and is still impressive today even after accounting for every other part of his character and contemporary drug use). The guy running the country today doesn't have the impulse control or intellectual curiosity to accomplish the stuff he used to accomplish. The best generic explanation I've read on this phenomenon is the article "Shallow Feedback Hollows You Out" by Midjourney's Ivan Vendrov: https://nothinghuman.substack.com/p/shallow-feedback-hollows-you-out https://nothinghuman.substack.com/p/shallow-feedback-hollows...

acdha 2y ago
I also wonder how much of that was his working relationship with Shotwell. Nationally it looks like he doesn’t have anyone he trusts who can tell him when he’s making a mistake or redirect him towards a more useful use of his time. I’d believe that much of the credit for SpaceX is really a team of people he met early enough that there’s no way to replicate that relationship. It’s a different context but I’m reminded of how George Lucas’ work got a lot worse after his divorce from Marcia Lucas, who was not only a very talented film editor in her own right but also apparently unique for having the ability to get him to actually listen to constructive criticism.
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jajko 2y ago
Impressive it may have been, but he is still firmly in pos camp. Hitler (if I really have to go full Godwin) was a decent painter, loyal friend to those few close to him and a dog lover. Amon Goeth may have been a great manager too, at least from certain perspective. Who cares? Having or applying flexible morality is a very slippery slope to no morality. I mean we're not discussing some academical theory but real situation and real person. People are shocked in recent weeks, I am not just mildly disappointed. The signs were there. Just to be clear - with such brutal logic many sport folks become undefendable. Or generally famous people. For good reasons. I am fine with that, no need to desperately put people on pedestals which are temporary at best, the whole idea of desperately looking upon somebody is fine in childhood but adults should know better.
- OgsyedIE 2y ago
  Did you read the post from yesterday's front page called Discworld Rules? It put the argument I'd like to make about the poor ideological/mental health of many fascists more eloquently that I can. Remember, Elon was an avid supporter of minority rights a decade ago.