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But e.g. Hetzner, OVH and Ionos are so cheap, you can easily keep a project alive for years until it gets traction or break even. Paying like 50€ a month is pea
by rmoriz 2y ago
But e.g. Hetzner, OVH and Ionos are so cheap, you can easily keep a project alive for years until it gets traction or break even. Paying like 50€ a month is peanuts.
- mrtksn 2y agoOn AWS or Google Cloud or Firebase you pay $0 a month until you start paying thousands of dollars per month. This makes the brands ubiquitous and developers knowledgeable of the platform. It's like having free MS Office subscription for free when in school, so everyone who graduates ends up knowing the MS tools and it's not feasible to switch to competitor.
- sam_lowry_ 2y agoShouldn't this be illegal? Price dumping in international trade is already illegal, like when China floods the market with electric cars and solar panels. And I only wonder why EU has put up so long with price dumping in other domains. Like the whole Microsoft world domination strategy that was made possible by intentionally lousy enforcement of its IP.
- Nathanba 2y agoI guess nobody considers it price dumping because it's given away entirely for free. People only see it as price dumping when somebody offers something at a far lower price.. but nobody feels like complaining when somebody is so rich that they throw their money at you for free.
- mrtksn 2y agoI don't know how this can be illegal, although I agree that the practice is pretty harmful in some ways. In the AI age for example, almost all platforms are giving it away for free now and costs huge amount of money for them. They are able to give it for free because their investors expect down the road to make much more money like they did in the Web age and then Apps age. Thanks to the investors of the time we had great run on the web and later in the apps. In one hand it means that sometime in the future if they corner the market and establish a monopoly the service will suffer, will be used for doing bad things or become very expensive, just what the web and apps has become. In the other hand this accelerates the technological advancements and deployment far beyond what would be possible in another business model.
- dumbledoren 2y ago> And I only wonder why EU has put up so long with price dumping in other domains. Like the whole Microsoft world domination strategy that was made possible by intentionally lousy enforcement of its IP. Because eing a US vassal makes it difficult to sanction your overlord.
- notpushkin 2y agoYou can use cloud while you have free credits – just spend them on a beefy AWS Lightsail server or something like that. Then pack it up and move to a cheaper provider.
- codingbot3000 2y agoIf you look closer, you can see that the free tier is mostly covering SaaS in order to lock you into their APIs. The free tier for VMs isn't that generous. For a startup, locking into an API that is initially free can often break their neck in the long run. Because for a startup, switching providers is a big distraction. It's often better to run VMs or colocated servers on an OSS stack. I'd argue that OVH (European) is the cost leader for that in every market they are in.
- mrtksn 2y agoI agree but the $0(*) people do win, they usually loose money for years and years and they are able to provide great service. Eventually they lock you down and start recouping their investments from you but they do make some things possible simply because it costs nothing to try and as a result a lot of great things are incepted on those platforms.