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Ok, I think I know who you voted for in the last election... Yeah, sure, you could argue that it's not democratic to keep extreme parties out of power, but the

by rob74 2y ago

Ok, I think I know who you voted for in the last election... Yeah, sure, you could argue that it's not democratic to keep extreme parties out of power, but there are multiple examples across history of parties coming to power democratically and then destroying democracy from within - it happened in Germany in 1933, in Russia, in Hungary, and it's currently happening in the United States. How to prevent this phenomenon (assuming that you want to prevent it, which of course the people profiting from it don't - see JD Vance's speech at the Munich security conference) is a controversial topic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy).

miroljub 2y ago
> Ok, I think I know who you voted for in the last election... No, you don't ;) Anyways, it's not only about Germany. It's the whole Europe. The establishment uses tricks, fraud, and deception to stay in power despite diminishing support and introduce policies opposed to the majority will of the people. In Germany, one party was prevented getting into the parliament by theft. In Romania, the election was annulled, and the leading candidate prevented to candidate because he was the wrong one. In Moldova, the election was manipulated by the government deciding which diaspora has the right to vote, and which not. In Slovakia, the elected president got shot for the wrong politics. In the Ukraine, president refuses to organize an election or transfer the power to the Head of Parliament, as the constitution requires, since he's a good guy. France, Ireland, Italy, Poland, everywhere the same or similar story. JD Vance was right. It's not democracy and not free speech and not freedom, when one group op people have the power to decide about election results, and no real opposition is allowed. And the party you think I voted for is getting bigger and bigger, not because they offer any solution. They don't. It's because the ruling parties keep pushing policies and laws that suit only a small minority, and which a majority of people oppose. It's the current (and future) German government that is bringing us closer to 1933. You can't blame an opposition for that.

by rob74 2y ago

miroljub 2y ago

> Ok, I think I know who you voted for in the last election... No, you don't ;) Anyways, it's not only about Germany. It's the whole Europe. The establishment uses tricks, fraud, and deception to stay in power despite diminishing support and introduce policies opposed to the majority will of the people. In Germany, one party was prevented getting into the parliament by theft. In Romania, the election was annulled, and the leading candidate prevented to candidate because he was the wrong one. In Moldova, the election was manipulated by the government deciding which diaspora has the right to vote, and which not. In Slovakia, the elected president got shot for the wrong politics. In the Ukraine, president refuses to organize an election or transfer the power to the Head of Parliament, as the constitution requires, since he's a good guy. France, Ireland, Italy, Poland, everywhere the same or similar story. JD Vance was right. It's not democracy and not free speech and not freedom, when one group op people have the power to decide about election results, and no real opposition is allowed. And the party you think I voted for is getting bigger and bigger, not because they offer any solution. They don't. It's because the ruling parties keep pushing policies and laws that suit only a small minority, and which a majority of people oppose. It's the current (and future) German government that is bringing us closer to 1933. You can't blame an opposition for that.